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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

If "everyone around" him thought he was "completely insane" and acting like a "God king", orange or otherwise, there was, and is, a constitutional method of removing him from office.

That method does not include a general conspiring with an enemy of the United States, nor even with an ally.

Nor does the Constitution give the government agencies and appointed bureaucrats which all comprise what is referred to as "the Deep State," the power to undermine the President, especially because of unfounded or unproven opinions. And it would be treason if it were done to aid and comfort an enemy of the United States.

That you do not seem to see the great danger to "our Democracy" such actions and the condoning of them are, shows how insane is your desire to destroy Trump, even if it is done by unconstitutional, treacherous, and dangerous ways.

Boy is that a dumb response, twice this clown was impeached and his GOP senators failed to take action, so in so little time left they should have tried again? The further away from the election he got the more unhinged he got, I’m glad someone was taking steps to avoid him from using the world ending power I frankly don’t think one man should have.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Boy is that a dumb response, twice this clown was impeached and his GOP senators failed to take action, so in so little time left they should have tried again? The further away from the election he got the more unhinged he got, I’m glad someone was taking steps to avoid him from using the world ending power I frankly don’t think one man should have.

so it’s “dumb” to suggest we follow the rules, when doing so doesn’t give us the result we want?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

so it’s “dumb” to suggest we follow the rules, when doing so doesn’t give us the result we want?
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What rules weren’t followed by the. General

We know what rules Trump didn’t follow.. but no outrage over that from the right
Yet

Trump still claiming the election was rigged while he show’s support for those who tried to overturn the election in his name on Jan 6

Talk about cricket’s
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

What rules weren’t followed by the. General

We know what rules Trump didn’t follow.. but no outrage over that from the right
Yet

Trump still claiming the election was rigged while he show’s support for those who tried to overturn the election in his name on Jan 6

Talk about cricket’s
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it’s not against the rules for a general to contact his counterpart in the military of our largest global
adversary, and promise to let them know in advance if we are ever planning action against them? that’s not promising to commit treason f we were at war with china?

Maybe offering to commit treason in the future isn’t a crime. i’m not sure it’s a good thing, though. That’s if he did in fact offer to warn them ahead of time, if we were to plan action against them. That’s hat Bob Woodward claims, and i didn’t see him deny it, maybe he did.

“no outrage from the right”

the russia thing was a joke, and i’ve said he was reckless with his claims about the stolen election, bough i don’t believe it’s reasonable to say he invited the riot when he said to “peacefully and patriotically” go to the capital. those were his exact words. He didn’t do nearly enough to try and stop it.

I’m not sorry he’s gone, though obviously i wouldn’t have selected biden to replace him.

I don’t know how i can be more honest than that.

Have you ever criticized Biden? Plagiarism, compulsive lying, a rape allegation against him that’s way more credible than the allegation against kavanaugh, obvious signs of corruption with Hunter selling influence. telling blacks that republicans want to put them in chains, calling a black congressman boy, and now showing obvious signs of dimentia. Do you have anything to say about that?

you’ll deflect all of it.

Biden said you can’t be black u less you support him. you said you were ok with that. not a syllable of criticism.

who can be honest between us, and who will always, always defend his side?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

so it’s “dumb” to suggest we follow the rules, when doing so doesn’t give us the result we want?
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These deserves 2 different responses

does this statement apply to the entirety of Republicans and Trump?

After they lost the election , and they filed bogus lawsuits after lawsuits based on lies or changed election laws just because they lost and had to curb voter turnout?

And what about Trumps call to GA to find votes I don’t recall if that bothered you as much as Biden being told who to pick during a press conference ?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

These deserves 2 different responses

does this statement apply to the entirety of Republicans and Trump?

After they lost the election , and they filed bogus lawsuits after lawsuits based on lies or changed election laws just because they lost and had to curb voter turnout?

And what about Trumps call to GA to find votes I don’t recall if that bothered you as much as Biden being told who to pick during a press conference ?
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see here’s the difference…i have said very explicitly that the january 6h rioters should be arrested and prosecuted. but many many liberals defended the blm rioters, dismissed it as mostly peaceful.

i’m not sure what to think of what this guy did. he’s saying it’s normal, lots of other brass are saying it’s a court
martial level offense.

how many times do i need to say it? Trump is a morally bankrupt reptile. and he’s not above the law. but you will never criticize biden for anything.

You keep acting as if i’m Sean Hannity, and you do it because pretending i’m as rabidly partisan as you are, is easier for you to deal with, than the reality that i’m fair and truthful.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

see here’s the difference…i have said very explicitly that the january 6h rioters should be arrested and prosecuted. but many many liberals defended the blm rioters, dismissed it as mostly peaceful.

i’m not sure what to think of what this guy did. he’s saying it’s normal, lots of other brass are saying it’s a court
martial level offense.

how many times do i need to say it? Trump is a morally bankrupt reptile. and he’s not above the law. but you will never criticize biden for anything.

You keep acting as if i’m Sean Hannity, and you do it because pretending i’m as rabidly partisan as you are, is easier for you to deal with, than the reality that i’m fair and truthful.
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Jim clearly your not The conservatives I am speaking of this is Trumps party .. and no current brass is saying anything about it being a court martial offense , the facts speak for themself no secret no personal cell phone all in the open

I am far from a rabid partisan I am objective enough to BS when the right decide to manufacture their canned outrage as Truth ..

Like most MAGA hero’s who Milley was until Milley was caught choosing the constitution over Trump .. they go from hero to Traitor overnight and there is a long list of them to include mike pence
In the MAGA universe and Republicans world everything is a lie fake news or everyone’s else fault ..

It’s Amazing to watch the Party of No in action
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim clearly your not The conservatives I am speaking of this is Trumps party .. and no current brass is saying anything about it being a court martial offense , the facts speak for themself no secret no personal cell phone all in the open

I am far from a rabid partisan I am objective enough to BS when the right decide to manufacture their canned outrage as Truth ..

Like most MAGA hero’s who Milley was until Milley was caught choosing the constitution over Trump .. they go from hero to Traitor overnight and there is a long list of them to include mike pence
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you do act like a rabid partisan, i’ve never seen you agree with a conservative here.

And a sincere thank you for saying Im not the brain dead conservative you’re speaking about, and of course there are plenty of those out there, and they deserve to be mocked.

maybe we can try to elevate this a bit. gotta run, coaching little league.

enjoy the nice weekend, sincerely.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you do act like a rabid partisan, i’ve never seen you agree with a conservative here.

And a sincere thank you for saying Im not the brain dead conservative you’re speaking about, and of course there are plenty of those out there, and they deserve to ebe mocked.

maybe we can try to elevate this a bit. gotta run, coaching little league.

enjoy the nice weekend, sincerely.
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I will when conservatives present something that makes sense and isn’t a lie … but that doesn’t happen often and when it does their own party turns on them .. can you say Liz Chaney

32 years in corrections and 25 in the military I consider myself a moderate . But by today’s GOP standard Iam married to AOC LOL
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Boy is that a dumb response, twice this clown was impeached and his GOP senators failed to take action, so in so little time left they should have tried again? The further away from the election he got the more unhinged he got, I’m glad someone was taking steps to avoid him from using the world ending power I frankly don’t think one man should have.

I wasn't thinking impeachment. There is the easier route, the 25th Amendment. Pete said everyone around him thought Trump was insane and a danger to the country. Everyone around him also included important and powerful republican Senators and Congressmen as well as the Vice President. If, indeed, they all thought that Trump was insane and a danger to the country, they could easily have removed him via the 25th amendment.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I wasn't thinking impeachment. There is the easier route, the 25th Amendment. Pete said everyone around him thought Trump was insane and a danger to the country. Everyone around him also included important and powerful republican Senators and Congressmen as well as the Vice President. If, indeed, they all thought that Trump was insane and a danger to the country, they could easily have removed him via the 25th amendment.

Sure that might happen, Pence the orange man lap dog, your debate starts and ends from your perspective. We’re you in the room? Did you somehow get a briefing or full transcript? Sounds to me like these calls were to assure people Trump might seem unhinged, but we have rules in place to prevent things from happening. Good for him and I really don’t give a rats a*rse if you think otherwise.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Sounds to me like these calls were to assure people Trump might seem unhinged,

What is the point of assuring people people that Trump "might seem" unhinged? That would also assure people that Trump might not seem unhinged.

[nightfighter]

Who the #^&#^&#^&#^& in their right mind could possibly be ready to defend, support, and bring Trump back to any political office in this country???? He, alone, has DESTROYED the Republican party. Talk about sheeple.... Look how the Republicans in Congress cower in fear of him. He said he wanted, and likely told, Mike Pence, to do the "right thing" during the certification of the electoral college. We know what that meant. We ALL know what he meant, including RR, Detbuch, and ScottW. Yet you back his immoral platform. This partisan chit is destroying the country, and maybe this site. No one is above criticism here, including Biden, OBama, and any other elected official you care to bring into the fight.
While I do have issues with Milley's actions from a constitutional view, I do think he did the right thing, in that moment, that period of time, to diffuse any possible wrong interpretation of what might come out of the Trump WH.
If the right ever wants to take back the White House, it better jettison Trump, now and forever, in order to be taken seriously by many former supporters of their platforms. Until Trump is gone for good, I will not in good conscience be able to support their candidates.
I am not going to proof, or rewrite this. Just shot from the hip because I am so damn mad at how he (Trump) screwed up a good thing, AND all these hangers on, like the OP, Ronnie, just want to snipe and pick, without offering any ideas as to how their side could be making things great again WITHOUT TRUMP....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Who the #^&#^&#^&#^& in their right mind could possibly be ready to defend, support, and bring Trump back to any political office in this country???? He, alone, has DESTROYED the Republican party. Talk about sheeple.... Look how the Republicans in Congress cower in fear of him. He said he wanted, and likely told, Mike Pence, to do the "right thing" during the certification of the electoral college. We know what that meant. We ALL know what he meant, including RR, Detbuch, and ScottW. Yet you back his immoral platform. This partisan chit is destroying the country, and maybe this site. No one is above criticism here, including Biden, OBama, and any other elected official you care to bring into the fight.
While I do have issues with Milley's actions from a constitutional view, I do think he did the right thing, in that moment, that period of time, to diffuse any possible wrong interpretation of what might come out of the Trump WH.
If the right ever wants to take back the White House, it better jettison Trump, now and forever, in order to be taken seriously by many former supporters of their platforms. Until Trump is gone for good, I will not in good conscience be able to support their candidates.
I am not going to proof, or rewrite this. Just shot from the hip because I am so damn mad at how he (Trump) screwed up a good thing, AND all these hangers on, like the OP, Ronnie, just want to snipe and pick, without offering any ideas as to how their side could be making things great again WITHOUT TRUMP....

i agree trump
running would be a disaster.

you’re acting like the party is in shambles, the numbers don’t say that. the democrats lost waaaaay more seats under obama, than the republicans lost to teump.

his platform? his platform was popular with all
but the dedicated left. cut taxes, grow the economy, add jobs, cheap gas, energy independence, clobbering terrorists, secure the border, set stock market records, no questionable wars. people, including a lot of independents, liked his platform. they hated his insanity and temper tantrums.

the platform was spot on, he was just the wrong person. but he might have been the only person who could have defeated hilary. and that was extremely important because he nominated three supreme court justices. god knows what madness he prevented by stopping her from nominating three scotus judges.

I can’t imagine he runs again, and if he wins the nomination, the party deserves the abyss it will get shoved into.

to do what he did with the economy, and still get his azz kicked at re-election, has to a send a message to people ( probably not to him) that he had his time, but his time is up.
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[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i agree trump
running would be a disaster.

you’re acting like the party is in shambles, the numbers don’t say that. the democrats lost waaaaay more seats under obama, than the republicans lost to teump.

his platform? his platform was popular with all
but the dedicated left. cut taxes, grow the economy, add jobs, cheap gas, energy independence, clobbering terrorists, secure the border, set stock market records, no questionable wars. people, including a lot of independents, liked his platform. they hated his insanity and temper tantrums.

the platform was spot on, he was just the wrong person. but he might have been the only person who could have defeated hilary. and that was extremely important because he nominated three supreme court justices. god knows what madness he prevented by stopping her from nominating three scotus judges.

I can’t imagine he runs again, and if he wins the nomination, the party deserves the abyss it will get shoved into.

to do what he did with the economy, and still get his azz kicked at re-election, has to a send a message to people ( probably not to him) that he had his time, but his time is up.
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I am not going to disagree with most of this. BUT, the party is in shambles..... and it will be tied to Trump until they denounce him and stop running so scared.
As for Jim's comment... about being scared of black people working??? I just don't see any logic in your reasoning to draw such a conclusion.
Ronnie, you are and always have been all in or nothing. Your way or the highway. Suit yourself. But the great majority of America and I believe, S-B, ain't going to bow down to socialism.... But we are pissed off. PO'd about the same corruption you mention in your good-bye post. But I do not see how you connect the dots with Trump showing us all how corrupt things are. Unless, unless you mean his inner circle of advisors, attorneys, and employees who were indicted and or jailed.... You just can't have it both ways. Time to get off the Trump wagon and regroup behind someone who is mentally competent and has demonstrated that they can work with people who they might disagree with, yet still get something done for the greater good.

[nightfighter]

Saw this. Just wanted to make sure it is entered into the conversation when there are some who want to call him a great president.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

I am not going to disagree with most of this. BUT, the party is in shambles..... and it will be tied to Trump until they denounce him and stop running so scared.
As for Jim's comment... about being scared of black people working??? I just don't see any logic in your reasoning to draw such a conclusion.
Ronnie, you are and always have been all in or nothing. Your way or the highway. Suit yourself. But the great majority of America and I believe, S-B, ain't going to bow down to socialism.... But we are pissed off. PO'd about the same corruption you mention in your good-bye post. But I do not see how you connect the dots with Trump showing us all how corrupt things are. Unless, unless you mean his inner circle of advisors, attorneys, and employees who were indicted and or jailed.... You just can't have it both ways. Time to get off the Trump wagon and regroup behind someone who is mentally competent and has demonstrated that they can work with people who they might disagree with, yet still get something done for the greater good.

first i like the way you say things and you can say anything to me i’m a big boy with thick skin.

the gop has half the senate, almost half the house, and for awhile
has had a majority of state legislatures and governorships. we have a much deeper bench than the left. who can they run in 2024 if Biden can’t?

Much of the gop has denounced him as a person. Guys like Dan Crenshaw have said 1,000 times they don’t like his style.

GS said he was frightened at what the gop has become. the gop, under Trump, put all time
records of blacks to work, so i was
making a sarcastic comment.

you think the left won’t bow to socialism? AOC and her ring are a very powerful force within that party. They aren’t running the party. But they aren’t written off as fringe looks either. That party is lurching way to the left, the democrat party is completely unrecognizable as the party that gave us bill clinton ( who i liked) who balanced the budget by cutting taxes and kicking huge numbers of people off welfare, none of whom needed to be on welfare because they all went out and got jobs. They just needed someone to tell them they had to.

“get something done for the greater good”. right before the pandemic, i don’t know how much more Trump
could have done to help the country. i hate the guy, but I, and much of America, liked what he did.

I think if we nominate him again it would be a complete, unmitigated disaster. i don’t believe his ego allows him to see that. i believe, and hope, that the kingmakers within the party see it.

I completely agree it’s 100% time to get off the Trump train. I hope they have the brains to do it. I think if we nominate a mature, kind person who will advocate for the same policies as trump without acting like a 10 year-old bully, they’d be tough to beat in stable times. Covid may make stability elusive.

i don’t think americans like open borders, men competing in physical
contests with women, defunding the police, growing numbers are getting tired of being told that we, and more importantly our children, can’t live normal lives.
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

I am not going to disagree with most of this. BUT, the party is in shambles..... and it will be tied to Trump until they denounce him and stop running so scared.
As for Jim's comment... about being scared of black people working??? I just don't see any logic in your reasoning to draw such a conclusion.
Ronnie, you are and always have been all in or nothing. Your way or the highway. Suit yourself. But the great majority of America and I believe, S-B, ain't going to bow down to socialism.... But we are pissed off. PO'd about the same corruption you mention in your good-bye post. But I do not see how you connect the dots with Trump showing us all how corrupt things are. Unless, unless you mean his inner circle of advisors, attorneys, and employees who were indicted and or jailed.... You just can't have it both ways. Time to get off the Trump wagon and regroup behind someone who is mentally competent and has demonstrated that they can work with people who they might disagree with, yet still get something done for the greater good.

You are the John McCain on this board, but I fear to many like RR are all in regardless of the tangent this party veered off on.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

You are the John McCain on this board, but I fear to many like RR are all in regardless of the tangent this party veered off on.

what major policies does the gop endorse that McCain would have been against?
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