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Old 07-08-2021, 10:11 PM   #1
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So what’s your point
You cite Greenwald and Carlson as truthful amongst all the lying reporters.
Now tell us how Alan Dershowitz is the only honest lawyer
You’ve ingested too much bleach and been exposed to too much UV light internally
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Old 07-08-2021, 11:03 PM   #2
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So what’s your point
You cite Greenwald and Carlson as truthful amongst all the lying reporters.
Now tell us how Alan Dershowitz is the only honest lawyer
You’ve ingested too much bleach and been exposed to too much UV light internally
It's no surprise you miss my point. Maybe being so deeply and continuously immersed in the importance of your horse blinders version of Trump it's tough to see anything, even if it's not about Trump, that you think might hurt it.

So what would be the right amount of bleach to ingest and the right amount of UV light to internally be exposed to?

Hey, this has nothing to do with Trump, and wouldn't hurt the Trump narrative that you expose yourself to . . . maybe too much. Give it a try, maybe you'll find some point in it:

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Old 07-09-2021, 09:52 AM   #3
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The Rest of the Story

Fox hosts are relentlessly attacking the vaccination campaign against the coronavirus. Their nightly effort to delegitimize the vaccines is a big problem.
The vaccines are miraculously safe and effective against the virus and its variants. But if you watch Fox, you hear a stream of stories about how they may not work and may kill you if you take them, along with aggrieved rants about the Biden administration effort.

It didn't have to be this way. It’s easy to imagine a world in which Fox hosts relentlessly talked up how Donald Trump had made the vaccines possible and how if viewers got vaccinated, the dreaded masks and lockdowns would be gone forever.
But Fox Corp. CEO Lachlan Murdoch has described the network as the “loyal opposition” to the Biden administration, and that includes the fight to vaccinate the public against the pandemic.

So now huge swaths of Republicans say they are not and will not be vaccinated. It's a culture war issue rather than a health one because that's the lens through which Fox presents the world to its viewers.
We're headed for a scenario in which Democrats are vaccinated and Republicans aren't, and a lot of Fox viewers end up dead because they listened to the network instead of getting shots.

The cumulative result will be more viral proliferation, more variants, until the vaccine's efficacy is reduced to nothing.
They are the reason we are where we are now, and the reason this is never going to end.

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Old 07-09-2021, 10:14 AM   #4
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The Rest of the Story

Fox hosts are relentlessly attacking the vaccination campaign against the coronavirus. Their nightly effort to delegitimize the vaccines is a big problem.
The vaccines are miraculously safe and effective against the virus and its variants. But if you watch Fox, you hear a stream of stories about how they may not work and may kill you if you take them, along with aggrieved rants about the Biden administration effort.

It didn't have to be this way. It’s easy to imagine a world in which Fox hosts relentlessly talked up how Donald Trump had made the vaccines possible and how if viewers got vaccinated, the dreaded masks and lockdowns would be gone forever.
But Fox Corp. CEO Lachlan Murdoch has described the network as the “loyal opposition” to the Biden administration, and that includes the fight to vaccinate the public against the pandemic.

So now huge swaths of Republicans say they are not and will not be vaccinated. It's a culture war issue rather than a health one because that's the lens through which Fox presents the world to its viewers.
We're headed for a scenario in which Democrats are vaccinated and Republicans aren't, and a lot of Fox viewers end up dead because they listened to the network instead of getting shots.

The cumulative result will be more viral proliferation, more variants, until the vaccine's efficacy is reduced to nothing.
They are the reason we are where we are now, and the reason this is never going to end.
Your "rest of the story" is actually "part of the story." Part of the old story that Fox News is Faux News. I've been pointing out "the rest of the story" that it's not just Fox News. Nor has it been proven that Fox is the worst. Quite the contrary.

News media has to a great degree been corrupted, not just by the natural and historical tendency for news agencies to become internally politicized, but more insidiously done so by cooperation with government agencies.

BTW, your post seems to be verbatim snatches of Media Matters rhetoric, which is not unbiased nor apolitical.
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Old 07-09-2021, 11:42 AM   #5
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Some of the least vaccinated states are the most pro-Trump. Trump won 17 of the 18 states with the lowest adult vaccination rates. Many of these states have high proportions of whites without college degrees.

The irony is that many of those who now deride the vaccines also objected to lockdowns, social distancing, and the wearing of masks. In a rational world, they would see the vaccines as a ticket back to normal life.

Instead, at this moment, they have chosen to go full anti-vax. Even with hundreds of thousands of dead, and hospitals again filling up, the lies continue; media types tell them to get clicks and likes; pols spread the lies to raise their profile and bring in cash.

And their recklessness will kill people. This is not hyperbole.

The toll of the lies —the tweets, cable hits, and performative demagoguery — can be measured in human lives. The right’s burst of dishonesty means that more fathers, mothers, sisters, uncles, aunts, even children will die.

How to describe the enormity of the malignancy here? Words like “irrational” and “insane,” don’t cover it.

In the law, however, there is category known as “depraved indifference to human life,” which “reflects a wicked, evil or inhuman state of mind, as manifested by brutal, heinous and despicable acts. It is evinced by conduct that is wanton, deficient in a moral sense of concern, and devoid of regard for the life or lives of others.”

It fits.

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Old 07-09-2021, 02:42 PM   #6
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Some of the least vaccinated states are the most pro-Trump. Trump won 17 of the 18 states with the lowest adult vaccination rates. Many of these states have high proportions of whites without college degrees.

The irony is that many of those who now deride the vaccines also objected to lockdowns, social distancing, and the wearing of masks. In a rational world, they would see the vaccines as a ticket back to normal life.

Instead, at this moment, they have chosen to go full anti-vax. Even with hundreds of thousands of dead, and hospitals again filling up, the lies continue; media types tell them to get clicks and likes; pols spread the lies to raise their profile and bring in cash.

And their recklessness will kill people. This is not hyperbole.

The toll of the lies —the tweets, cable hits, and performative demagoguery — can be measured in human lives. The right’s burst of dishonesty means that more fathers, mothers, sisters, uncles, aunts, even children will die.

How to describe the enormity of the malignancy here? Words like “irrational” and “insane,” don’t cover it.

In the law, however, there is category known as “depraved indifference to human life,” which “reflects a wicked, evil or inhuman state of mind, as manifested by brutal, heinous and despicable acts. It is evinced by conduct that is wanton, deficient in a moral sense of concern, and devoid of regard for the life or lives of others.”

It fits.
Biden said that " we have Covid-19 on the run" and that "his nationwide vaccination plan are working better than expected." Seems that there is some serious fake news going on here.
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Old 07-12-2021, 06:09 AM   #7
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Biden said that " we have Covid-19 on the run" and that "his nationwide vaccination plan are working better than expected." Seems that there is some serious fake news going on here.
Fox Corp. CEO Lachlan Murdoch has described the network as the “loyal opposition” to the Biden administration, and that includes the fight to vaccinate the public against the pandemic.
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