Herd immunity is not a strategy, it is a biological fact

[wdmso]

Jim all trump had to do is make it look like he was doing something and Americans could have said and would have said that was enough for them ..

But thats not what happen Trump denied it was an issue Fought against Masks tooth and nail .. {like you he made a suggestion here or there as evidence of his objectivity AKA to cover a base } the whole white house had a super spreader event,, Then he doubled down after he got out of Walter reed .. the head of the pandemic response Pence refuses to follow his own protocols. and his own chief of staff waved the white flag

I am sorry cutting off travel from China doesn't carry water anymore , operations warp speed Americans have seen right thru it .. Because torpedoed his own plan by offering un realistic release exceptions .. and even now with the Dakotas Wisconsin and areas in Texas exploding in Covid cases
he says we are rounding the bend or the the numbers are up because nurses and doctors and hospitals are inflating Covid numbers to GET PAID and hurt him really. I guess he has no idea whats going on in Europe ..

And for all the anti maskers (not suggesting you are one ) in general next time they have a surgery. please tell your surgeon and his team that you feel masks dont work.. so dont wear any and see what they tell you>>>

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim all trump had to do is make it look like he was doing something and Americans could have said and would have said that was enough for them ..

But thats not what happen Trump denied it was an issue Fought against Masks tooth and nail .. {like you he made a suggestion here or there as evidence of his objectivity AKA to cover a base } the whole white house had a super spreader event,, Then he doubled down after he got out of Walter reed .. the head of the pandemic response Pence refuses to follow his own protocols. and his own chief of staff waved the white flag

I am sorry cutting off travel from China doesn't carry water anymore , operations warp speed Americans have seen right thru it .. Because torpedoed his own plan by offering un realistic release exceptions .. and even now with the Dakotas Wisconsin and areas in Texas exploding in Covid cases
he says we are rounding the bend or the the numbers are up because nurses and doctors and hospitals are inflating Covid numbers to GET PAID and hurt him really. I guess he has no idea whats going on in Europe ..

And for all the anti maskers (not suggesting you are one ) in general next time they have a surgery. please tell your surgeon and his team that you feel masks dont work.. so dont wear any and see what they tell you>>>

"Jim all trump had to do is make it look like he was doing something and Americans could have said and would have said that was enough for them "

So you would have been happy if he just made it look like he did something.

So the way he helped NY and CA, getting hospital ships there, converting convention centers to hospitals, getting them more than enough respirators, that wasn't even the appearance of doing anything?

Working with public and private agencies to ramp up production of masks and testing capabilities, that wasn't even the phony appearance of doing anything?

Here is an article with videos, where Gov Cuomo of NY said Trump "has delivered for NY. He has."

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/poli...ponse/2371465/

So Governor Cuomo of NY, who isn't a huge fan of Trump, said explicitly that Trump did a lot to help the state of NY.

So, maybe you want to reconsider your asinine statement.

Here is an article where Gov Newsom of CA, also praised Trump's coronavirus actions. A quote from Newsom...

"We have the USNS Mercy in California because of [Trump's] direct intervention and support, 2,000 of these federal medical stations because of his direct support," Newsom said on CNN. "So I can only speak for myself, but I have to be complementary. Otherwise, I would be simply lying to you, misleading you"

In other words, the CA governor says you are lying, when you say he didn't do anything constructive or helpful.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...elp-state-amid

As always, his tweets, comments, and style were often disgusting. His actions? Well, don't take my word for it Wayne, just read the comments from two of the most liberal governors in the country.

Trump helped them. Again, I can only imagine how much you hate that fact. But that's the thing about facts, they don't care whether you like them or not.

Put down the blind partisanship for 10 seconds, take off the tin foil hat, and think.

You have been pulverized.

[scottw]

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1203822]

Put down the blind partisanship for 10 seconds, take off the tin foil hat, and think.

You have been pulverized.

/QUOTE]

he thinks you are a lying dog faced pony soldier or something

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Jim all trump had to do is make it look like he was doing something and Americans could have said and would have said that was enough for them "

So you would have been happy if he just made it look like he did something.

So the way he helped NY and CA, getting hospital ships there, converting convention centers to hospitals, getting them more than enough respirators, that wasn't even the appearance of doing anything?

Working with public and private agencies to ramp up production of masks and testing capabilities, that wasn't even the phony appearance of doing anything?

Here is an article with videos, where Gov Cuomo of NY said Trump "has delivered for NY. He has."

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/poli...ponse/2371465/

So Governor Cuomo of NY, who isn't a huge fan of Trump, said explicitly that Trump did a lot to help the state of NY.

So, maybe you want to reconsider your asinine statement.

Here is an article where Gov Newsom of CA, also praised Trump's coronavirus actions. A quote from Newsom...

"We have the USNS Mercy in California because of [Trump's] direct intervention and support, 2,000 of these federal medical stations because of his direct support," Newsom said on CNN. "So I can only speak for myself, but I have to be complementary. Otherwise, I would be simply lying to you, misleading you"

In other words, the CA governor says you are lying, when you say he didn't do anything constructive or helpful.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...elp-state-amid

As always, his tweets, comments, and style were often disgusting. His actions? Well, don't take my word for it Wayne, just read the comments from two of the most liberal governors in the country.

Trump helped them. Again, I can only imagine how much you hate that fact. But that's the thing about facts, they don't care whether you like them or not.

Put down the blind partisanship for 10 seconds, take off the tin foil hat, and think.

You have been pulverized.

Jim moving ship is not doing something trumps lovers love praising Trump for doing what he is supposed to do. Thats the real TDS

Prasing Trump is how you deal with this Transactional POTUs if you thought they were sincere your smoking crack.

TRUMP couldnt even try faking it. He couldn’t be bothered

The only thing you pulverized was the trump pill you snorted before writing this
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

. and even now with the Dakotas Wisconsin and areas in Texas exploding in Covid cases

>>

Illinios, California, league leaders in new cases, Rhode Island spiking beyond spring levels and I don't know if you've checked the BBC lately but europe is similarly spiking = clearly trumps fault...damn those conservative states with republican governors and non-mask wearing trumplicans!!!!

ps...I was out and about the other day made a couple of stops at a convenience store and a couple other places and I could be wrong but the people I saw NOT wearing masks in public places were probably not those you hear described as typical or likely trump voters(I was wearing mine)

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

Illinios, California, league leaders in new cases, Rhode Island spiking beyond spring levels and I don't know if you've checked the BBC lately but europe is similarly spiking = clearly trumps fault...damn those conservative states with republican governors and non-mask wearing trumplicans!!!!

ps...I was out and about the other day made a couple of stops at a convenience store and a couple other places and I could be wrong but the people I saw NOT wearing masks in public places were probably not those you hear described as typical or likely trump voters(I was wearing mine)

Scott maybe you should tell your Potus covid is running out of control or even better his faithful.. your post whould be blasphemy ..on any conservative web site
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

And for all the anti maskers (not suggesting you are one ) in general next time they have a surgery. please tell your surgeon and his team that you feel masks dont work.. so dont wear any and see what they tell you>>>

It's funny, like everything else, I struggle to make up my mind definitively on masks. Because there are very smart people who say masks work (which is where I lean), and there are very smart people who say they don't work. I feel like I cannot know who is right, I'm not a virologist, or a health care researcher. It's amazing to me that even on something as simple as masks, there is zero consensus. There are peer reviewed studies showing masks do nothing. It's hard for me to believe that they don't help at least a little, and I wear one every time I go out. But there's no consensus...

What works in surgery isn't the same as what works with this virus. It's possible the droplets are too small to be captured with a cloth mask. Again, I'm not taking that position, but there are smart people who do.

I pretty much gave up trying to figure this out, how can you when there is zero consensus among the experts? I don't know enough to feel comfortable saying one side is wrong. SO I go with my gut and wear a mask.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

It's funny, like everything else, I struggle to make up my mind definitively on masks. Because there are very smart people who say masks work (which is where I lean), and there are very smart people who say they don't work. I feel like I cannot know who is right, I'm not a virologist, or a health care researcher. It's amazing to me that even on something as simple as masks, there is zero consensus. There are peer reviewed studies showing masks do nothing. It's hard for me to believe that they don't help at least a little, and I wear one every time I go out. But there's no consensus...

What works in surgery isn't the same as what works with this virus. It's possible the droplets are too small to be captured with a cloth mask. Again, I'm not taking that position, but there are smart people who do.

I pretty much gave up trying to figure this out, how can you when there is zero consensus among the experts? I don't know enough to feel comfortable saying one side is wrong. SO I go with my gut and wear a mask.

What works in surgery isn't the same as what works with this viru

there is zero consensus among the experts?

OMG. I bet you think we moved out of the Stone age because we ran out of Rocks.

Unbelievable response to telling a surgeon not wear masks
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

What works in surgery isn't the same as what works with this viru

there is zero consensus among the experts?

OMG. I bet you think we moved out of the Stone age because we ran out of Rocks.

Unbelievable response to telling a surgeon not wear masks
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I'm not telling surgeons not to wear masks.

What I meant was, regarding covid, there is no consensus in the medical community as to whether or not masks work. I have to believe they help. But for every study you'd like to post suggesting masks help with covid, I can post a study showing they don't work.

That's the reality - no consensus on masks. I'm not making that up to prove a political point, as I wear a mask in public 100% of the time. I'm just stating the truth - within the medical and scientific community, there is zero consensus on whether or not masks work.

Again, I wear a mask, so I tend to err on the side of caution and choose to wear one. But there are scientists who say they are useless in the fight against covid.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

There are peer reviewed studies showing masks do nothing.

Great, name one.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by spence

Great, name one.

Trumptard polytechnics institute
And
Conservative evangelical prolife stop caring after they are born #^&#^&#^&#^&em they are on there own superpac foundation
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Trumptard polytechnics institute
And
Conservative evangelical prolife stop caring after they are born #^&#^&#^&#^&em they are on there own superpac foundation
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"Trumptard"

Nice, making fun of people with Downs.

"Conservative evangelical prolife stop caring after they are born "

Except the data shows that's 100% false.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Great, name one.

How many do you want? And make no mistake, I am not saying I agree with his study. I'm saying, I have no way to tell if it's flawed.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...19-experts-say

Asked and answered. Can you show me the same courtesy? Name one meaningful issue, on which you think democrats are wrong. Or admit you're a rabid, blind, thoughtless, partisan.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

How many do you want? And make no mistake, I am not saying I agree with his study. I'm saying, I have no way to tell if it's flawed.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...19-experts-say

That study is from early April, we know a lot more about the virus now. Second, the study was only about thin homemade fabric masks, not masks in general. Third, it's doesn't say homemade masks don't help, it just says there's not enough data to claim that they do. As an aside my sister knows the doctor quoted.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

That study is from early April, we know a lot more about the virus now. Second, the study was only about thin homemade fabric masks, not masks in general.

see post #258, I can cite as many as you want...and again, I wear a mask because I believe they help. But some smart people disagree.

Spence, people can disagree. The world doesn't have to be all one way or all the other.

And we are all still waiting for one example of an issue on which you disagree with democrats...

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Second, the study was only about thin homemade fabric masks,

.

that's what everyone wears, fabric masks and buffs

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

That study is from early April, we know a lot more about the virus now..

Aha! So you'll give the scientists the benefit of a learning curve, but not Trump, who is supposed to listen to the scientists.

You guys are unbelievable.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Aha! So you'll give the scientists the benefit of a learning curve, but not Trump, who is supposed to listen to the scientists.

You guys are unbelievable.

You forgot...Second, the study was only about thin homemade fabric masks, not masks in general. Third, it's doesn't say homemade masks don't help, it just says there's not enough data to claim that they do.

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