breonna taylor tragedy

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

the officers did not execute a no-knock warrant. even i thought they did, because everyone was saying it.

Everyone was saying it because a no knock warrant is what was initially issued. After it was determined Breonna Taylor had no criminal history they were advised to knock. I don't think this was public info until this week. Even though, a pounding on the door before bursting through doesn't make much of a difference. You likely don't have time to realize what's going on. I had a home invasion once, it was a blur.

according to what the cops said, and corroborated by people
living in the apartment building, the cops yelled “police” first, then knocked.

Not people, a single person said they heard the cops say police. Several others nearby said they only heard the knock.

upon entering, taylor’s boyfriend ( a drug dealer for whom the warrant was granted) shot one of the cops. he admits he fired first.

Her boyfriend at the time was not a drug dealer and was not on the warrant. Breonna Taylor was on the warrant because the police were suspicious she was handling drugs for a former boyfriend who is a drug dealer. This claim was investigated by the Postal Inspector before the search and found to be untrue. The police moved forward anyway.

almost everything i heard about this case in the media was a lie. a politically convenient lie.

That's because you don't take the time to read basic and readily available reporting.

Also note there are claims that the police tried to cover up their actions by trying to get the actual drug dealer to lie and say Breonna Taylor was involved in a crime syndicate.

It does seem a little crazy that the only charges filed had nothing to do with Breonna Taylor's death but around the shots fired into an adjacent apartment. Had George Floyd not happened this whole event would have just been swept under the rug.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

It does seem a little crazy that the only charges filed had nothing to do with Breonna Taylor's death but around the shots fired into an adjacent apartment.

those are the only shots that were fired that were not justified...why is that difficult for you to understand?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by spence

Also note there are claims that the police tried to cover up their actions by trying to get the actual drug dealer to lie and say Breonna Taylor was involved in a crime syndicate.

yes, that is stunning.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Everyone was saying it because a no knock warrant is what was initially issued. After it was determined Breonna Taylor had no criminal history they were advised to knock. I don't think this was public info until this week. Even though, a pounding on the door before bursting through doesn't make much of a difference. You likely don't have time to realize what's going on. I had a home invasion once, it was a blur.


Not people, a single person said they heard the cops say police. Several others nearby said they only heard the knock.


Her boyfriend at the time was not a drug dealer and was not on the warrant. Breonna Taylor was on the warrant because the police were suspicious she was handling drugs for a former boyfriend who is a drug dealer. This claim was investigated by the Postal Inspector before the search and found to be untrue. The police moved forward anyway.


That's because you don't take the time to read basic and readily available reporting.

Also note there are claims that the police tried to cover up their actions by trying to get the actual drug dealer to lie and say Breonna Taylor was involved in a crime syndicate.

It does seem a little crazy that the only charges filed had nothing to do with Breonna Taylor's death but around the shots fired into an adjacent apartment. Had George Floyd not happened this whole event would have just been swept under the rug.

"It does seem a little crazy that the only charges filed had nothing to do with Breonna Taylor's death "

So you feel that if the cops are shot at first (not in dispute), and they return fire, if they kill an innocent bystander, they should go to prison? THAT'S what you're saying? You think it should be a crime if they miss their aim?

God almighty, man. How can you say that with a straight face?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"It does seem a little crazy that the only charges filed had nothing to do with Breonna Taylor's death "

So you feel that if the cops are shot at first (not in dispute), and they return fire, if they kill an innocent bystander, they should go to prison? THAT'S what you're saying? You think it should be a crime if they miss their aim?

God almighty, man. How can you say that with a straight face?

One of the officers is looking at up to 15 years as things sit now.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

One of the officers is looking at up to 15 years as things sit now.

As always, you responded to something I didn't ask. I asked if you think it's a crime, for a police officer to return fire and kill a bystander accidentally? Because your side is upset that he wasn't charged in her death. To charge a cop in her death, necessarily means you think it's a crime to return fire and accidentally miss. What would have to happen, for you to respond to what I said? To respond to what I actually said?

He's not going to get any real time, then we'll riot all over again.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

As always, you responded to something I didn't ask. I asked if you think it's a crime, for a police officer to return fire and kill a bystander accidentally? Because your side is upset that he wasn't charged in her death. To charge a cop in her death, necessarily means you think it's a crime to return fire and accidentally miss. What would have to happen, for you to respond to what I said? To respond to what I actually said?

He's not going to get any real time, then we'll riot all over again.

I still don't understand how only one of the cops could get charged. While I'm sure they used forensics to identify which gun's bullets entered the other apartment they were all blasting away. So one gets charged for not being as good of a shot? What if he had killed the pregnant woman or her 5 year old?

I don't think you could get a felony murder charge, but the entire way the operation was run was extremely reckless. The reforms announced are a drop in the bucket as to what's needed.

Another big item, if you don't believe you're a lawbreaker, why would you ever think the police would force entry into your castle? Kenneth Walker thought it was a home invasion, doesn't he have a right to self defense? Where is the 2A crowd on this one?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I still don't understand how only one of the cops could get charged. While I'm sure they used forensics to identify which gun's bullets entered the other apartment they were all blasting away. So one gets charged for not being as good of a shot? What if he had killed the pregnant woman or her 5 year old?

I don't think you could get a felony murder charge, but the entire way the operation was run was extremely reckless. The reforms announced are a drop in the bucket as to what's needed.

Another big item, if you don't believe you're a lawbreaker, why would you ever think the police would force entry into your castle? Kenneth Walker thought it was a home invasion, doesn't he have a right to self defense? Where is the 2A crowd on this one?

so you don' think they had a legal right to return fire? Or are you saying the crime was missing their target? Regarding Taylors death, I see the tragedy. I don't see a crime. What was the crime?

ARe you saying, or are you not saying, that missing your target and hitting someone else, should put you in jail? It's against the law to miss? What law is that?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Another big item, if you don't believe you're a lawbreaker, why would you ever think the police would force entry into your castle? Kenneth Walker thought it was a home invasion, doesn't he have a right to self defense? Where is the 2A crowd on this one?

Walker is not being charged despite shooting a police officer...again...did you do any research?