Happy Juneteenth

[scottw]

I bought this last year....only example I've seen in 30 some years of doing what I do and the earliest Emancipation item in pottery/porcelain item I've seen....this is the first date of Emancipation following the British Slavery Abolition Act 1833 which began in the British West Indies, interesting to read about because it wasn't full Emancipation till 1838 most continued to work under apprenticeships till 1838...

Juneteenth should be a National holiday

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Inside no masks close quarters and outside majority with masks moving about yes. their close but the 2 are not remotely the same

Saw one example Trump rally 18x more likely to transmit covid


The protesters are not wanted by the POTUS or many Americans

But Trump has promoted his rally encouraging no masks by his cabinet's example sign wavers and pass out masks and handsantizer , as a ploy to show responsibility.. mixed messages that's an understatement but the Typical trump supporters its unless Trump says different then its for joy

It is the same. Ten thousand people in a confined space for 4 hours in one session versus a million people over two weeks in multiple sessions in many locations with some distancing and some mask wearing.

One side gets hammered by the press and medical profs and the other side gets hugs.

Originally Posted by scottw

I bought this last year....only example I've seen in 30 some years of doing what I do and the earliest Emancipation item in pottery/porcelain item I've seen....this is the first date of Emancipation following the British Slavery Abolition Act 1833 which began in the British West Indies, interesting to read about because it wasn't full Emancipation till 1838 most continued to work under apprenticeships till 1838...

Juneteenth should be a National holiday

Very interesting.

Also interesting, France and England abolished slavery at different times but still somewhat before the US. But when France and Britain hold their noses at us one must remember they stopped it just before we did and they were responsible for it in the Americas.

England stopped the Slave Trade in the early 1800s but did not abolish it until 1833.

France abolished slavery in 1798?? but Bonaparte restarted and it lasted another 30 years.

England started the West Africa Squadron early 1800s to STOP slave ships from Africa to the Americas (vast majority NOT to the USA) and the US Navy started assisting them a dozen years later.

The USS Constitution was the US Navy's Flagship of a couple Anti- Slavery patrols and captured a Slaver on her last actual tour of Duty as a combatant.

So Western slavery, which existed for over a 1000 years (total 10,000 years??) was being (finally) exhaustively strangled during the 1800s. France and England beat us by a couple decades, the decreed it, we had to go to war to stop it.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Very interesting.

a friend of mine has the largest private collection of anti-slavery ceramics in the country...it is fascinating...some of the items are here

http://www.chipstone.org/images.php/...7%E2%80%931865

if you have some time to peruse it's really worth a look

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

It is the same. Ten thousand people in a confined space for 4 hours in one session versus a million people over two weeks in multiple sessions in many locations with some distancing and some mask wearing.

One side gets hammered by the press and medical profs and the other side gets hugs.

On one side you have people protesting for change the country thinks necessary, the other an event organized to stroke a fragile man's ego.

Not quite the same.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

On one side you have people protesting for change the country thinks necessary, the other an event organized to stroke a fragile man's ego.

Not quite the same.

I don't think there should have been a rally, and I don't think there should have been protests that go against what was considered THEN necessary precautions (masks and six feet). I do not condone the violence.

With that said it sounds like, For You, it is OK for the people protesting to conduct their First Amendment right to peacefully assemble but not OK for Trump Supporters First Amendment right to peacefully assemble.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I don't think there should have been a rally, and I don't think there should have been protests that go against what was considered THEN necessary precautions (masks and six feet). I do not condone the violence.

With that said it sounds like, For You, it is OK for the people protesting to conduct their First Amendment right to peacefully assemble but not OK for Trump Supporters First Amendment right to peacefully assemble.

This is a keen observation that any snowflake will dismiss as context
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by JohnR

With that said it sounds like, For You, it is OK for the people protesting to conduct their First Amendment right to peacefully assemble but not OK for Trump Supporters First Amendment right to peacefully assemble.

Let's not forget that when people gathered at the State House to protest because they just wanted the economy to open up and go back to work, they were called "Ignorant" and "Selfish" and need to "Stay Home" and "Save Lives". 3 weeks later and that didn't matter any more.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I don't think there should have been a rally, and I don't think there should have been protests that go against what was considered THEN necessary precautions (masks and six feet). I do not condone the violence.

With that said it sounds like, For You, it is OK for the people protesting to conduct their First Amendment right to peacefully assemble but not OK for Trump Supporters First Amendment right to peacefully assemble.

Another red herring argument .. criticism of Trumps rallies have nothing to do with restrictions on Trump fans 1st amendment rights..

And had everything to do with the Potus ingnoring the disease put his supporters and the public at risk for his own benfit ..

Thankfully only 6500 people took trumps bait and the rest stayed home ..
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[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I don't think there should have been a rally, and I don't think there should have been protests that go against what was considered THEN necessary precautions (masks and six feet). I do not condone the violence.

With that said it sounds like, For You, it is OK for the people protesting to conduct their First Amendment right to peacefully assemble but not OK for Trump Supporters First Amendment right to peacefully assemble.

The protests are organic, they are the will of the people. The Trump rally is inorganic, it is the desire of a man. That's not to say the protests carry no risk, but even with large groups they are for the most part spread out outdoors with the majority wearing masks.

Further look at the output, protests are leading to meaningful change, the Trump rally was an embarrassment.

It's not a binary call but neither is there parity.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

The protests are organic, they are the will of the people.

The Trump rally is inorganic, it is the desire of a man.

The protests are the "will" of SOME people. And they don't erupt spontaneously, but are started and coordinated by some group or organization.

The Trump rally is inherently, similar to "protests" insofar as being "organic" (the will of some people to attend and coordinated by an organization). They are affirmative as opposed to being a complaint.