Cuomo says no one should be prosecuted for covid deaths in NY

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Taiwan has had less then 4 covid 19 deaths . Why do you think that is?
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Now that is a great question.

Taiwan took everyones temperature who tried to enter the country, and if you had a slight fever, you weren't getting in (so they had a travel ban that was more broad than Trumps, yet liberals said Trumps ban was too much).

Taiwan also had a very strict quarantine of people who tested positive, they tracked you with a phone, and if you left your house, the police came for you.

Should we have done that here? What would democrats and the media have said, back in December, if Trump proposed going that far? Don't you get it? Trump didn't do much back then, but the one thing he did, he was attacked for doing, because the democrats and the media said the virus wasn't serious enough.

So if democrats went berserk over Trumps restricting travel from Chinese nationals, you want us to believe they'd go along if Trump implemented the near-martial law that Taiwan implemented with their sick?

It makes no sense to me that Taiwan did as well as they did, and the whole world needs to know why, to see what we can learn. But it's preposterous for you to say that the country would have allowed Trump to do in December, what Taiwan did.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Now that is a great question.

Taiwan took everyones temperature who tried to enter the country, and if you had a slight fever, you weren't getting in (so they had a travel ban that was more broad than Trumps, yet liberals said Trumps ban was too much).

Taiwan also had a very strict quarantine of people who tested positive, they tracked you with a phone, and if you left your house, the police came for you.

Should we have done that here? What would democrats and the media have said, back in December, if Trump proposed going that far? Don't you get it? Trump didn't do much back then, but the one thing he did, he was attacked for doing, because the democrats and the media said the virus wasn't serious enough.

So if democrats went berserk over Trumps restricting travel from Chinese nationals, you want us to believe they'd go along if Trump implemented the near-martial law that Taiwan implemented with their sick?

It makes no sense to me that Taiwan did as well as they did, and the whole world needs to know why, to see what we can learn. But it's preposterous for you to say that the country would have allowed Trump to do in December, what Taiwan did.

We will never know. Trump didn't try any of the above, and downplayed this for the first two months. Then yesterday he would do nothing different in his response.

Lots to learn at both the state and federal level on this one, we are lucky that this wasn't the 2-3% mortality otherwise we would have been #^&#^&#^&#^&ed.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

We will never know. Trump didn't try any of the above, and downplayed this for the first two months. Then yesterday he would do nothing different in his response.

Lots to learn at both the state and federal level on this one, we are lucky that this wasn't the 2-3% mortality otherwise we would have been #^&#^&#^&#^&ed.

True, and there are so many moving pieces, you can't assume that if we did what they did, the results would have been the same.

Bryan, is it relevant to point out, that the one thing Trump did back then (travel restrictions) was panned by the left as being an unnecessary overreaction?

It's easy, and not without some validity, to say Trump should have done more. But is there ANY reason to believe that democrats and the media would have been supportive if he went a lot further, back then? Back then, they were all saying that the virus wasn't as bad as the flu, that we didn't need to do anything drastic. I know that you don't suffer from the same selective amnesia that affects the other liberals here.

"lucky that this wasn't the 2-3% mortality otherwise we would have been #^&#^&#^&#^&ed"

100% agree.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

True, and there are so many moving pieces, you can't assume that if we did what they did, the results would have been the same.

Bryan, is it relevant to point out, that the one thing Trump did back then (travel restrictions) was panned by the left as being an unnecessary overreaction?

It's easy, and not without some validity, to say Trump should have done more. But is there ANY reason to believe that democrats and the media would have been supportive if he went a lot further, back then? Back then, they were all saying that the virus wasn't as bad as the flu, that we didn't need to do anything drastic. I know that you don't suffer from the same selective amnesia that affects the other liberals here.

"lucky that this wasn't the 2-3% mortality otherwise we would have been #^&#^&#^&#^&ed"

100% agree.

You may be correct on some of this, but sentiment pretty quickly changed on the travel ban.

I would have settled on just having a consistent, fair-minded message on this, and ramping up the stocks of PPE, rather than blaming the last guy who left office 3 years ago....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

You may be correct on some of this, but sentiment pretty quickly changed on the travel ban.

I would have settled on just having a consistent, fair-minded message on this, and ramping up the stocks of PPE, rather than blaming the last guy who left office 3 years ago....

"sentiment pretty quickly changed on the travel ban. '

I agree 100% on that. But at the time Trump restricted travel, he was advocating for more drastic measures, than most democrats and most in the media. So if Trump was wrong for not being more drastic, they were more wrong. That must be true. Because they wanted a less drastic response than what Trump called for.

"I would have settled on just having a consistent, fair-minded message on this"

Me too. And Trump isn't the guy for calm, consistent messaging. he's like George Steinbrenner in a panicked tirade, that's how I view his ability to communicate. He's not the guy I'd want to listen to, to restore calm and confidence. I'd trust his policies, but not his ability to articulate the policy in a reassuring way.

"ramping up the stocks of PPE"

He did do that, slowly, with help from the private sector.

We also blew the rollout of widespread testing. I'm not sure why, everyone points fingers, no one accepts responsibility, so I have no idea who to believe.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

We will never know. Trump didn't try any of the above, and downplayed this for the first two months. Then yesterday he would do nothing different in his response.

Lots to learn at both the state and federal level on this one, we are lucky that this wasn't the 2-3% mortality otherwise we would have been #^&#^&#^&#^&ed.

^^^^^^^^thats right on the Money ^^^^^^ all North Korea had their 1st case when we had ours .. 2 different outcomes

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

all North Korea had their 1st case when we had ours .. 2 different outcomes

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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

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wrong korea