Trump* on blame

[Pete F.]

I see MRI1+2 are playing dingdong again

[wdmso]

This is what government looks like. Today during a crisis both federal and state



And Republicans think less Government is better?

Looking at this crisis I can only see that idea as crazier, than it was before this and it was crazy then

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

This is what government looks like. Today during a crisis both federal and state



And Republicans think less Government is better?

Looking at this crisis I can only see that idea as crazier, than it was before this and it was crazy then

Non sequitur. The total scope of government is a different concern than the amount of power within constitutionally allowed government.

China, for instance, under CCP rule has unlimited scope of government power. China does not suffer from less government. It's government is in total control of the entire society. Does China, with more government, "look like," as you put it, what you would want today.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Non sequitur. The total scope of government is a different concern than the amount of power within constitutionally allowed government.

China, for instance, under CCP rule has unlimited scope of government power. China does not suffer from less government. It's government is in total control of the entire society. Does China, with more government, "look like," as you put it, what you would want today.

Typical response jumping right to communism..

How would less government improve what we are seeing

Not saying more government is the right answer.

But for Trump to suggest the federal government is just a back up in this situation

He wants to be a leader only when winning. When things go south no so much


That navy Captain just fired is the example of a True leader , Placing the care and treatment of his men , Above his own self intrest

Trump is unable to do such a thing it's not his nature

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Typical response jumping right to communism..

I didn't jump to communism. I pointed out that more government does not equate to better solutions.

How would less government improve what we are seeing

The amount of government is not the answer.

Not saying more government is the right answer.

I don't know what you're saying here.

But for Trump to suggest the federal government is just a back up in this situation

He has done more than "just" back up. But back up is a big portion of what the federal government is supposed to do in cases of pandemic. See post 6 in the Welcome to seat of the pants government thread.


He wants to be a leader only when winning. When things go south no so much

Yeah, right.

That navy Captain just fired is the example of a True leader , Placing the care and treatment of his men , Above his own self intrest

Trump is unable to do such a thing it's not his nature

Good to know that we have such expert insights as yours on this forum. But I do prefer, personally, that the President's personal interests don't get in the way of executing the duties as prescribed in Article II.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

That navy Captain just fired is the example of a True leader , Placing the care and treatment of his men , Above his own self intrest

"Modly said Crozier had cc’ed more than 20 people, including some outside the chain of command, over unsecured and unclassified systems, assuring the memo’s leak.

He also said Crozier did not speak to his direct superior, carrier strike group commander Rear Adm. Stuart Baker, about his concerns before sending the memo, despite Baker being on the carrier and living within feet of Crozier.

Modly said Crozier was not fired for expressing concerns, but the way he chose to do so.

The chain of command doesn’t exist merely to keep order. It also exists to keep information from the public. Crozier commanded one of only ten Nimitz-class nuclear-powered aircraft carriers in the Navy. These ships are considered the backbone of America’s naval fighting force.

By going public with his complaints, Crozier essentially sent a giant banner up into the sky announcing to America’s enemies that one of the primary weapons in America’s arsenal might be out of commission. You can see, therefore, why the Navy took a very dim view of Crozier bypassing the chain of command to announce that he had a problem."

[wdmso]

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Originally Posted by wdmso

That navy Captain just fired is the example of a True leader , Placing the care and treatment of his men , Above his own self intrest

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"Modly said Crozier had cc’ed more than 20 people, including some outside the chain of command, over unsecured and unclassified systems, assuring the memo’s leak.

He also said Crozier did not speak to his direct superior, carrier strike group commander Rear Adm. Stuart Baker, about his concerns before sending the memo, despite Baker being on the carrier and living within feet of Crozier.

Modly said Crozier was not fired for expressing concerns, but the way he chose to do so.

The chain of command doesn’t exist merely to keep order. It also exists to keep information from the public. Crozier commanded one of only ten Nimitz-class nuclear-powered aircraft carriers in the Navy. These ships are considered the backbone of America’s naval fighting force.

By going public with his complaints, Crozier essentially sent a giant banner up into the sky announcing to America’s enemies that one of the primary weapons in America’s arsenal might be out of commission. You can see, therefore, why the Navy took a very dim view of Crozier bypassing the chain of command to announce that he had a problem."

Like i said.put his men before himself..

I am sure he spoke to his chain of command. And was told to lay down so he went over their heads ..

And his cc to people so it would be leaked..

Please with the giveing info to the. Enemy is bs every family member knew what was going on, and where the ship was .

The Navy's playing damage control
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[wdmso]

[QUOTE=scottw;1190056]

Originally Posted by wdmso

That navy Captain just fired is the example of a True leader , Placing the care and treatment of his men , Above his own self intrest

[/QUOTE


"Modly said Crozier had cc’ed more than 20 people, including some outside the chain of command, over unsecured and unclassified systems, assuring the memo’s leak.

He also said Crozier did not speak to his direct superior, carrier strike group commander Rear Adm. Stuart Baker, about his concerns before sending the memo, despite Baker being on the carrier and living within feet of Crozier.

Modly said Crozier was not fired for expressing concerns, but the way he chose to do so.

The chain of command doesn’t exist merely to keep order. It also exists to keep information from the public. Crozier commanded one of only ten Nimitz-class nuclear-powered aircraft carriers in the Navy. These ships are considered the backbone of America’s naval fighting force.

By going public with his complaints, Crozier essentially sent a giant banner up into the sky announcing to America’s enemies that one of the primary weapons in America’s arsenal might be out of commission. You can see, therefore, why the Navy took a very dim view of Crozier bypassing the chain of command to announce that he had a problem."

Like i said.put his men before himself..

I am sure he spoke to his chain of command. And was told to lay down so he went over their heads ..

And his cc to people so it would be leaked.. please who leaked it if you know who got copies

giveing info to the. Enemy is bs every family member knew what was going on, and where the ship was .

The Navy's playing damage control
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[scottw]

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Originally Posted by scottw

I am sure he spoke to


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you don't know anything....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

This is what government looks like. Today during a crisis both federal and state



And Republicans think less Government is better?

Looking at this crisis I can only see that idea as crazier, than it was before this and it was crazy then

yes, this is why the liberal
places like CT and IL are in such fine shape.

conservatives want less government, in areas where people
can do just fine by themselves. no one is saying we should do away with government altogether? can you make a single post in his forum that’s not ridiculous?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

yes, this is why the liberal
places like CT and IL are in such fine shape.

conservatives want less government, in areas where people
can do just fine by themselves. no one is saying we should do away with government altogether? can you make a single post in his forum that’s not ridiculous?
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No kidding their not saying no government their saying only the government they like and want

So theses Republican governors who have no restrictions in place, I should assume they can do fine by themselves, and the government shouldn't help them if this goes sideways on them ..

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

No kidding their not saying no government their saying only the government they like and want

So theses Republican governors who have no restrictions in place, I should assume they can do fine by themselves, and the government shouldn't help them if this goes sideways on them ..

the republican governors with no restrictions, in my opinion, are being reckless. very reckless.

but conservatives are not opposed to governments at all
levels taking steps to be prepared for these kinds of emergencies. even diehard libertarians don’t oppose this.

you need to learn a bit more about the basics. i don’t have any idea where you get them information you use to form your opinions if conservatives, but you’re being misinformed. instead of letting msnbc tell you what conservatives think, why not ask a conservative? you are comically, very misinformed.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

the republican governors with no restrictions, in my opinion, are being reckless. very reckless.

but conservatives are not opposed to governments at all
levels taking steps to be prepared for these kinds of emergencies. even diehard libertarians don’t oppose this.

you need to learn a bit more about the basics. i don’t have any idea where you get them information you use to form your opinions if conservatives, but you’re being misinformed. instead of letting msnbc tell you what conservatives think, why not ask a conservative? you are comically, very misinformed.
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Jim its happened in real time look at those Governors,,,, what other reason have they given ?.. why they have chosen to what their doing

Alabama Governor Kay Ivey, who just last week rejected any statewide action because “Y’all, we are not California. We’re not New York. We aren’t even Louisiana,


Thought this was spot on with some of these Governors so concerned with not upsetting Trumps base


I’d be happy to stand with the president,” the governor would quip, “if he’d just stand in the same place.”

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim its happened in real time look at those Governors,,,, what other reason have they given ?.. why they have chosen to what their doing

Alabama Governor Kay Ivey, who just last week rejected any statewide action because “Y’all, we are not California. We’re not New York. We aren’t even Louisiana,


Thought this was spot on with some of these Governors so concerned with not upsetting Trumps base


I’d be happy to stand with the president,” the governor would quip, “if he’d just stand in the same place.”

"
Jim its happened in real time look at those Governors,,,, what other reason have they given ?.. why they have chosen to what their doing"

They've said very clearly why they haven't imposed severe restrictions, and it's not because conservatives want less government. It's because in those states, governors feel the counts aren't high enough to justify crushing the state economy. It's not because they're conservative, it's because they don't feel thigs are that bad yet. I think its a dangerous gamble, but if the counts remain low in those states, the small business owners and employees will be very glad the governors did what they did. There are scientists who feel that the measures taken in most states are going too far. I don't happen to agree with them, but there are scientists who are still saying that. There's a chance that when all is said and done, we'll conclude that we didn't need to shut down the economy. In fact I hope that's what happens, because that would mean the virus wasn't catastrophic. Does that make sense?

"“Y’all, we are not California. We’re not New York. We aren’t even Louisiana"

and he's talking about not having as many sick people. It's math, not politics.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

yes, this is why the liberal
places like CT and IL are in such fine shape.
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I would take Connecticut in the heartbeat over the majority of those red States. After all look at the incompetent President they helped elect.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I would take Connecticut in the heartbeat over the majority of those red States
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who cares?

CT, one of the most beautiful states in the nation, is one of the few states that’s losing population. CT has so much going for
it, people should be fighting to get here. But they’re fleeing.

one persons opinion doesn’t make that wrong.

Our debt is also tens of thousands of dollars for every single
human being in the state. Did conservative economic
principles generate that massive debt, or liberal economic principles.


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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

who cares?

CT, one of the most beautiful states in the nation, is one of the few states that’s losing population. CT has so much going for
it, people should be fighting to get here. But they’re fleeing.

one persons opinion doesn’t make that wrong.

Our debt is also tens of thousands of dollars for every single
human being in the state. Did conservative economic
principles generate that massive debt, or liberal economic principles.


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Then leave.

As we have discussed dozens of times it is bc of the superior services provided in this liberal state. there are many facts that indicate people are better off in liberals states but you continue to harp on taxes while ignoring the better education and higher pay you get here.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Then leave.

As we have discussed dozens of times it is bc of the superior services provided in this liberal state. there are many facts that indicate people are better off in liberals states but you continue to harp on taxes while ignoring the better education and higher pay you get here.

You don't get it. Rather, you won't admit you get it, because that would dispute your "point"...it doesn't matter if I stay or go, of if you like it here or not. What matters is that a beautiful and convenient state, is one of the nation's leaders in population loss over the last 10 years. There is only 1 explanation for why this is happening in such a beautiful place with so much opportunity. You just can't say it out loud, like most liberals (note I didn't say all) you cannot process even the most obvious empirical data unless it serves your agenda.

When clinging to your beliefs requires you to deny facts that are staring you in the face, maybe ask why you believe what you believe. I was a registered democrat when I graduated from college, because it made a lot of sense to me to eliminate poverty by just taking a tiny bit more from billionaires who wouldn't miss it. Who could oppose something so obvious? but the thing is, it doesn't work. It just doesn't work. It has never worked, not once. So I stopped believing that was the answer.

"bc of the superior services provided in this liberal state.'

What planet do you live on, exactly? Ask just about anyone who works in state social services how their budget has changed in the last 10 years here in CT. Budgets are cut across the board, services offered to our needy neighbors being cut across the board. State funding to universities cut massively across the board.

You can't help anyone, when you're broke.

"there are many facts that indicate people are better off in liberals states "

Then why are successful people leaving (in general) liberal states, and moving to (in general) conservative states? Because they're too stupid to see that CT is better than the suburbs of Charlotte?