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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Thanks for sharing your personal perspective Zimmy but I think you are mistaken.
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About the tens of millions of faithful that didn’t vote for him. I am doubtful as to the validity of these numbers. Do you have a link?
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

About the tens of millions of faithful that didn’t vote for him. I am doubtful as to the validity of these numbers. Do you have a link?
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Two points before I retreat back into Home School and Telework land.... >20 million (10's of millions ) of 'faithful' is reasonable.

1. Faithful does not mean religious, I am sure many are faithful (i.e. believe in a god without supporting a specific religion)

2. 65 million people voted against trump, 62 million for trump in 2016 total, 327 million total population, just for context.

There are 90-100 million Evangelicals (per google)
70 million Catholics
7.5 million Jews

So lets say 170 million total in these three categories.

If 60% of those voted, and 80% voted for Trump (likely lower for Jewish, and perhaps Catholic, as I saw an article where in 2020 only 35% were planning to vote for Trump and up to 54% were 'open to it') (170 *0.6 *0.2) = 20 million. That is not counting the faithful of other faiths and non-denominational.

If 50% of Catholics voted, and 60% voted for Trump (being conservative I think, might be lower), that is 14 million right there.....

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Two points before I retreat back into Home School and Telework land.... >20 million (10's of millions ) of 'faithful' is reasonable.

1. Faithful does not mean religious, I am sure many are faithful (i.e. believe in a god without supporting a specific religion)

2. 65 million people voted against trump, 62 million for trump in 2016 total, 327 million total population, just for context.

There are 90-100 million Evangelicals (per google)
70 million Catholics
7.5 million Jews

So lets say 170 million total in these three categories.

If 60% of those voted, and 80% voted for Trump (likely lower for Jewish, and perhaps Catholic, as I saw an article where in 2020 only 35% were planning to vote for Trump and up to 54% were 'open to it') (170 *0.6 *0.2) = 20 million. That is not counting the faithful of other faiths and non-denominational.

In this context I believe Zimmy meant religious,but Icant be sure.
To vote for a candidate does not necessarily indicate one is voting “against” another. Perhaps a link would provide more clarity rather than opinion and conjecture. A thoughtful response regardless of loosely gathered thoughts and biased research which typically flows from the left.
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

In this context I believe Zimmy meant religious,but Icant be sure.
To vote for a candidate does not necessarily indicate one is voting “against” another. Perhaps a link would provide more clarity rather than opinion and conjecture. A thoughtful response regardless of loosely gathered thoughts and biased research which typically flows from the left.
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In the article they acknowledge the 80% of white born again evangelicals voted for trump,.



https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...2016-analysis/

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Two points before I retreat back into Home School and Telework land.... >20 million (10's of millions ) of 'faithful' is reasonable.

1. Faithful does not mean religious, I am sure many are faithful (i.e. believe in a god without supporting a specific religion)

2. 65 million people voted against trump, 62 million for trump in 2016 total, 327 million total population, just for context.

There are 90-100 million Evangelicals (per google)
70 million Catholics
7.5 million Jews

So lets say 170 million total in these three categories.

If 60% of those voted, and 80% voted for Trump (likely lower for Jewish, and perhaps Catholic, as I saw an article where in 2020 only 35% were planning to vote for Trump and up to 54% were 'open to it') (170 *0.6 *0.2) = 20 million. That is not counting the faithful of other faiths and non-denominational.

If 50% of Catholics voted, and 60% voted for Trump (being conservative I think, might be lower), that is 14 million right there.....

i think as you stated, you were being generous with catholics for trump.

But when i say faithful, i don’t mean people who call themselves catholic but go to church 4 times a year and are pro choice. i mean religious people who take their faith and convictions seriously. a lot of people who identify as catholic, are very casual about it. evangelicals are usually more devout and serious.

this group, which i call “the faithful” because they actually try to stay faithful to that which they profess to believe, went big for trump. there’s no way that’s not true.

catholics and jews as a group, are likely to vote for a candidate whose policies are contrary to their faith ( today’s national democratic platform is totally incompatible with catholicism). evangelicals are a lot less likely to do so.
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[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

About the tens of millions of faithful that didn’t vote for him. I am doubtful as to the validity of these numbers. Do you have a link?
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To keep it simple and not get into the semantics of who gets to qualify as faithful: 138 million voted 75% identified as Catholic, Protestant, or Jewish. 40% of those voters voted for Hillary.
138x0.75x0.4= 41.4 million
Had Jim said a majority voted for Trump I wouldn't have had anything to say, but his blanket statement is a representative of co opting of religion by some on the right that is bogus. Maybe Jim just meant Trump won a majority of the faithful. Maybe given the way he started this thread he should look into what it means to be faithful.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...2016-analysis/
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

To keep it simple and not get into the semantics of who gets to qualify as faithful: 138 million voted 75% identified as Catholic, Protestant, or Jewish. 40% of those voters voted for Hillary.
138x0.75x0.4= 41.4 million
Had Jim said a majority voted for Trump I wouldn't have had anything to say, but his blanket statement is a representative of co opting of religion by some on the right that is bogus. Maybe Jim just meant Trump won a majority of the faithful. Maybe given the way he started this thread he should look into what it means to be faithful.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...2016-analysis/
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I define "faithful" as a religious person (any religion) whose religious beliefs hold real value to him, someone actually dedicated to their religious beliefs. Someone who identifies as Catholic but who goes to church twice a year, doesn't do any volunteer work, and thinks the church is wrong on abortion, is not someone I'd consider to be faithful.

Among Christian faithful, Trump won big. Among casual Catholics and Jews, Hilary did great.

I'm very sorry if you don't like those results, but they were the results. Obviously they were the results. No Christian would ever truly believe Trump is a righteous person. But the policies he enacts, are far more in line with Judeo-Christian principles, than those of Hilary, it's not even close. Biden will have the same problem, but he'll make up for it with groups that lean left.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

But the policies he enacts, are far more in line with Judeo-Christian principles, than those of Hilary, it's not even close.

That is a selective and I will say warped opinion based what my Bible says.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

That is a selective and I will say warped opinion based what my Bible says.
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In my experience, when liberals lob baseless insults with zero evidence, it means they know they've lost the debate.

If you'd like to tell me how anyone would conclude that the liberal agenda is more closely aligned with judeo-Christian principles than the conservative agenda, I'd be interested to her it.

Please note, I'm not saying Trump is a better Christian than Hilary. I am saying his agenda is more Christian friendly. Remember Hilary's deplorables rant, she was speaking, in part, of evangelicals and what they believe.

[nightfighter]

I don't watch her. I don't agree with much of what she says, or with much in this thread, for that matter...

But she gets a potential pass for being a nut about fishing, as are many of us here... I would still fish with her and likely enjoy it as I find it much easier to discuss differences around common ground....

Everyone needs to lighten up here, IMO...

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

I don't watch her. I don't agree with much of what she says, or with much in this thread, for that matter...

But she gets a potential pass for being a nut about fishing, as are many of us here... I would still fish with her and likely enjoy it as I find it much easier to discuss differences around common ground....

Everyone needs to lighten up here, IMO...

Well said. I am getting out of here ☠️
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

I don't watch her. I don't agree with much of what she says, or with much in this thread, for that matter...

But she gets a potential pass for being a nut about fishing, as are many of us here... I would still fish with her and likely enjoy it as I find it much easier to discuss differences around common ground....

Everyone needs to lighten up here, IMO...

Who are the two guys in the picture?





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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Who are the two guys in the picture?





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Not sure, but I think the one with the dark hair used to play left tackle for the Jets
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