Anatomy of a viral lie

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

"I don't take responsibility at all"

That out of context comment referred to the delay in testing kits which was due to FDA regulations created by the previous administration which had to be revised. Dr. Fauci cofirmed that's was the case and the reason for the delay.

Really slimy of you to just insert it out of context and in context of other matters to make it seem Trump took no responsibility for anything. You're as bad as fake media.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

That out of context comment referred to the delay in testing kits which was due to FDA regulations created by the previous administration which had to be revised. Dr. Fauci cofirmed that's was the case and the reason for the delay.

Whif.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Whif.
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/julior...fault-n2565112

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

That out of context comment referred to the delay in testing kits which was due to FDA regulations created by the previous administration which had to be revised. Dr. Fauci cofirmed that's was the case and the reason for the delay.

Really slimy of you to just insert it out of context and in context of other matters to make it seem Trump took no responsibility for anything. You're as bad as fake media.

It's really slimy that Trump* tried to make someone else responsible for his inaction and he claimed to take no responsibility at all. Pandemics have been one of the most significant national security issues since the Bush administration.
As originally outlined by President Bush in 2006, the National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza Implementation Plan established three goals for the U.S. government during a pandemic.
First, stopping, slowing, or limiting the spread of a pandemic to the United States.
Second, limiting the domestic spread of a pandemic to mitigate disease, suffering and death.
Third, sustaining infrastructure and mitigating impact to the economy and society.
H1N1 provided a valuable “test run” for the government’s response to a pandemic. They learned valuable lessons about what worked, what failed miserably, and what would have worked better with just a few improvements.

Dr. Fauci is stifling himself in order to save many lives from the actions of the malignant narcissist holding the office of President.
The other choice is to leave and let whatever unqualified yes man the fool finds to take his place. Probably could get Dr. Bornstein or Ronny Jackson, or maybe just use his stable genius to come up with a new medicine.

South Korea had the first case the same day as the USA.
Trump*ignored the information he was given in intelligence briefings because he was flattered by Xi Jinping and thought his good friend would never mislead him. He is the biggest danger to national security in this country.

By March 14th the democratic republic of South Korea had tested 274,500 people for free.

We had tested 14,000 for a cost of 1-3K each until a couple of days ago.

That was not due to a failure of leadership years ago, but the failure of this administration.

He had no issue with declaring an emergency over "caravans" but stuck his head in the sand on this because it might upset the market.
That worked well, didn't it?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Dr. Fauci is stifling himself in order to save many lives from the actions of the malignant narcissist holding the office of President.

So now Dr. Fauci is a liar.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So now Dr. Fauci is a liar.

sure! he’s a trumplican.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So now Dr. Fauci is a liar.

No, he's doing what he can to help and right now that includes accommodating a malignant narcissistic president who is incapable of leading.
He's been in his position since 1984, led the ebola, H1N1 responses and knows what needs to get done.
Trump* is still hoping for a miracle and trying to find someone to blame for his administration's inaction.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

No, he's doing what he can to help and right now that includes accommodating a malignant narcissistic president who is incapable of leading.
He's been in his position since 1984, led the ebola, H1N1 responses and knows what needs to get done.
Trump* is still hoping for a miracle and trying to find someone to blame for his administration's inaction.

If you say he is not lying when he said Trump was not responsible, and he knows what needs to be done, and is a reliable expert doing those things, I'll take him at his word rather than your hyper biased opinion.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So now Dr. Fauci is a liar.

He didn't claim Fauci was a liar.


Fauci gets frank about Trump: ‘I can’t jump in front of the microphone and push him down’

Amid the ongoing global coronavirus pandemic, Anthony S. Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, has been charged with a herculean task: trying to keep President Trump’s public statements about the novel virus rooted in fact.

Now it appears that Fauci’s frustration is showing.

When asked Sunday by Science magazine’s Jon Cohen about having to stand in front of the nation as “the representative of truth and facts” when “things are being said that aren’t true and aren’t factual,” the 79-year-old said there is only so much he can do.

“I can’t jump in front of the microphone and push him down,” Fauci said, referencing Trump. “OK, he said it. Let’s try and get it corrected for the next time.”

The frank comment was just one part of a remarkable Q&A published Sunday night in which Fauci shed light on his relationship with Trump, how the pair handles their differences and what happens before each coronavirus task force news conference.

On more than one occasion, Fauci, described by The Washington Post’s Ellen McCarthy and Ben Terris as “the grandfatherly captain of the corona#^&virus crisis,” has found himself in the uncomfortable position of having to publicly contradict the president — a risky action that could conceivably jeopardize the scientist’s job.

Fauci acknowledged as much on Sunday.

“To my knowledge, I haven’t been fired,” he told Cohen, laughing.

Most recently, Fauci has sought to temper Trump’s comments touting an old anti-malarial drug as a potential treatment for covid-19. At a news conference Friday, one day after Trump called the medicine a possible “game-changer,” Fauci said the only evidence of the drug’s promise so far has been “anecdotal,” adding, “So you really can’t make any definitive statement about it.”

In an appearance on “Face the Nation” Sunday, Fauci downplayed the disagreement, telling CBS’s Margaret Brennan that “there isn’t, fundamentally, a difference” between his view and Trump’s on fighting the virus.

“I was taking a purely medical, scientific standpoint and the president was trying to bring hope to the people,” he said.

CNN LFauci attempted to strike the same diplomatic approach in his interview with Science magazine, saying that though he and Trump sometimes disagree, the president does listen to him “on substantive issues.”

But Fauci admitted that the two stray when it comes to Trump’s delivery of the critical messages.

“It is expressed in a way that I would not express it, because it could lead to some misunderstanding about what the facts are about a given subject,” he said.

Never, for example, has Fauci used “China virus” or " Chinese virus” to refer to covid-19, despite Trump’s repeated usage and defense of such labels. Critics have slammed the language as racist and diversionary, warning that it could lead to an uptick of anti-Asian sentiment in the United States.

“And you never will, will you?” Cohen asked.

“No,” Fauci answered.

Cohen also pressed Fauci on Trump making statements that don’t “comport with facts,” calling attention to the president’s recent misleading suggestion that China could have revealed details of the outbreak “three or four months” earlier.

“I know, but what do you want me to do?,” Fauci responded. “I mean, seriously Jon, let’s get real, what do you want me to do?”

After Trump made the remark about China at Saturday’s briefing, Fauci said he informed “the appropriate people” of the inaccuracy.

“The next time they sit down with him and talk about what he’s going to say, they will say, by the way, Mr. President, be careful about this and don’t say that,” he said.

Fauci later provided a behind-the-scenes look at how the task force advises Trump ahead of his daily news conferences.

“We sit down for an hour and a half, go over all the issues on the agenda,” Fauci said, adding that the group also discusses what they want to emphasize to the public that day before meeting with Trump.

“Then we go in to see the president, we present [our consensus] to him and somebody writes a speech,” he explained. “Then he gets up and ad-libs on his speech. And then we’re up there to try and answer questions.”

Fauci appeared to make his qualms with Trump’s ad-libs known at Friday’s news conference when he was seen covering his face and struggling to maintain his composure after the president mentioned the “Deep State Department.”


Asked if he was criticized for the gesture, Fauci said “no comment.”

The scientist also took issue with Trump’s decision to continue shaking hands at public events and the lack of physical separation at the daily briefings.

While Fauci credited Vice President Pence with keeping people apart during task force meetings, the situation onstage in the press briefing room, where officials are often standing in close quarters, “is a bit more problematic.”

“I keep saying, is there any way we can get a virtual press conference,” he said. “Thus far, no. But when you’re dealing with the White House, sometimes you have to say things 1,2,3,4 times, and then it happens. So I’m going to keep pushing.”

By early Monday, Fauci’s comments were circulating widely on social media with many remarking on his candor.

The Q&A with Science magazine came on the heels of two other illuminating interviews Fauci did that came out over the weekend, prompting some to worry that he might endangering his position.

“Fauci’s going to get fired,” tweeted journalist Joe Nocera. “He’s been way too honest in interviews this weekend.”

But, in a recent interview with the Atlantic published Sunday, Fauci said he didn’t anticipate losing his position.

“I don’t think they’re going to try to silence me. I think that would be foolish on their part,” he said. “I think, in some respects, they welcome my voice out there telling the truth. I’m going to keep doing it. And no matter what happens to me, I’m going to keep doing it.”

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

He didn't claim Fauci was a liar.


Fauci gets frank about Trump: ‘I can’t jump in front of the microphone and push him down’

Amid the ongoing global coronavirus pandemic, Anthony S. Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, has been charged with a herculean task: trying to keep President Trump’s public statements about the novel virus rooted in fact.

Now it appears that Fauci’s frustration is showing.

When asked Sunday by Science magazine’s Jon Cohen about having to stand in front of the nation as “the representative of truth and facts” when “things are being said that aren’t true and aren’t factual,” the 79-year-old said there is only so much he can do.

“I can’t jump in front of the microphone and push him down,” Fauci said, referencing Trump. “OK, he said it. Let’s try and get it corrected for the next time.”

The frank comment was just one part of a remarkable Q&A published Sunday night in which Fauci shed light on his relationship with Trump, how the pair handles their differences and what happens before each coronavirus task force news conference.

On more than one occasion, Fauci, described by The Washington Post’s Ellen McCarthy and Ben Terris as “the grandfatherly captain of the corona#^&virus crisis,” has found himself in the uncomfortable position of having to publicly contradict the president — a risky action that could conceivably jeopardize the scientist’s job.

Fauci acknowledged as much on Sunday.

“To my knowledge, I haven’t been fired,” he told Cohen, laughing.

Most recently, Fauci has sought to temper Trump’s comments touting an old anti-malarial drug as a potential treatment for covid-19. At a news conference Friday, one day after Trump called the medicine a possible “game-changer,” Fauci said the only evidence of the drug’s promise so far has been “anecdotal,” adding, “So you really can’t make any definitive statement about it.”

In an appearance on “Face the Nation” Sunday, Fauci downplayed the disagreement, telling CBS’s Margaret Brennan that “there isn’t, fundamentally, a difference” between his view and Trump’s on fighting the virus.

“I was taking a purely medical, scientific standpoint and the president was trying to bring hope to the people,” he said.

CNN LFauci attempted to strike the same diplomatic approach in his interview with Science magazine, saying that though he and Trump sometimes disagree, the president does listen to him “on substantive issues.”

But Fauci admitted that the two stray when it comes to Trump’s delivery of the critical messages.

“It is expressed in a way that I would not express it, because it could lead to some misunderstanding about what the facts are about a given subject,” he said.

Never, for example, has Fauci used “China virus” or " Chinese virus” to refer to covid-19, despite Trump’s repeated usage and defense of such labels. Critics have slammed the language as racist and diversionary, warning that it could lead to an uptick of anti-Asian sentiment in the United States.

“And you never will, will you?” Cohen asked.

“No,” Fauci answered.

Cohen also pressed Fauci on Trump making statements that don’t “comport with facts,” calling attention to the president’s recent misleading suggestion that China could have revealed details of the outbreak “three or four months” earlier.

“I know, but what do you want me to do?,” Fauci responded. “I mean, seriously Jon, let’s get real, what do you want me to do?”

After Trump made the remark about China at Saturday’s briefing, Fauci said he informed “the appropriate people” of the inaccuracy.

“The next time they sit down with him and talk about what he’s going to say, they will say, by the way, Mr. President, be careful about this and don’t say that,” he said.

Fauci later provided a behind-the-scenes look at how the task force advises Trump ahead of his daily news conferences.

“We sit down for an hour and a half, go over all the issues on the agenda,” Fauci said, adding that the group also discusses what they want to emphasize to the public that day before meeting with Trump.

“Then we go in to see the president, we present [our consensus] to him and somebody writes a speech,” he explained. “Then he gets up and ad-libs on his speech. And then we’re up there to try and answer questions.”

Fauci appeared to make his qualms with Trump’s ad-libs known at Friday’s news conference when he was seen covering his face and struggling to maintain his composure after the president mentioned the “Deep State Department.”


Asked if he was criticized for the gesture, Fauci said “no comment.”

The scientist also took issue with Trump’s decision to continue shaking hands at public events and the lack of physical separation at the daily briefings.

While Fauci credited Vice President Pence with keeping people apart during task force meetings, the situation onstage in the press briefing room, where officials are often standing in close quarters, “is a bit more problematic.”

“I keep saying, is there any way we can get a virtual press conference,” he said. “Thus far, no. But when you’re dealing with the White House, sometimes you have to say things 1,2,3,4 times, and then it happens. So I’m going to keep pushing.”

By early Monday, Fauci’s comments were circulating widely on social media with many remarking on his candor.

The Q&A with Science magazine came on the heels of two other illuminating interviews Fauci did that came out over the weekend, prompting some to worry that he might endangering his position.

“Fauci’s going to get fired,” tweeted journalist Joe Nocera. “He’s been way too honest in interviews this weekend.”

But, in a recent interview with the Atlantic published Sunday, Fauci said he didn’t anticipate losing his position.

“I don’t think they’re going to try to silence me. I think that would be foolish on their part,” he said. “I think, in some respects, they welcome my voice out there telling the truth. I’m going to keep doing it. And no matter what happens to me, I’m going to keep doing it.”

I read that article today. It didn't address the timeliness of testing kits issue--which was one of the key reasons for this thread. On that issue, Fauci unequivocally said that Trump was not responsible for the delay and did not correct Trump's version of why, basically agreeing with him.

Trump should try to cut down on his "ad libs." Probably won't happen. So long as the experts on his team, such as Fauci, make any necessary corrections or clarifications, it shouldn't be a problem.

I know how these interviews w/agenda go. Ask only questions that might bias heavily toward making Trump look bad. And then further edit in that direction and use slanted words, etc.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I know how these interviews w/agenda go. Ask only questions that might bias heavily toward making Trump look bad. And then further edit in that direction and use slanted words, etc.

Any chief executive (never mind the Pres. of the US) should be able to turn any question around and come up with a positive response.

Unfortunately, Pres Trump can't hold his temper and responds like a little child and resorts to insults. Can't even craft a response to "what do you tell the people who are afraid". A question that Bush and Obama answered dozens of times.

I don't want a Pres. where we have to expect the experts on his team to clarify his remarks or make corrections. If he doesn't know the answers any good manager would turn to the expert and say "can you address that question" instead of saying something that is incorrect.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Any chief executive (never mind the Pres. of the US) should be able to turn any question around and come up with a positive response.

Unfortunately, Pres Trump can't hold his temper and responds like a little child and resorts to insults. Can't even craft a response to "what do you tell the people who are afraid". A question that Bush and Obama answered dozens of times.

I don't want a Pres. where we have to expect the experts on his team to clarify his remarks or make corrections. If he doesn't know the answers any good manager would turn to the expert and say "can you address that question" instead of saying something that is incorrect.

totally agree that his immediate response will
be that of a vindictive baby.

how about his policies, do those matter at all, or is delivery all that matters now. He restricted travel from china which obviously helped, and got called a xenophobe.

And even CNNs Jake Tapper
explicitly said that Trump didn’t call the virus a hoax, he was talking about the media response.

i agree Trump is a vindictive baby, but maybe if the media could
stop lying and be accurate for two consecutive seconds where he’s concerned, that would help.
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