Liberal response to Trumps Chinese travel restrictions

[Jim in CT]

Paul, Trump is the best friend that Israel has ever had in the white house. Israel, in case you didn’t know, is another country. How many millions of foreigners does he have to support, before youd say he doesn’t hate foreigners?

You criticized the original travel ban for not going far enough - americans we’re allowed to return from china. But Biden and Schumer said the ban was too
much and not necessary. What do you think of that?

Biden claimed trump should not have restricted chinese from traveling here. He went further and said the ban was racist.

You said the ban didn’t go far enough, but you cannot bring yourself to say Biden was dead wrong.

You’re trying to have it both ways. You’re saying Trump didn’t go far enough, yet you won’t say Biden was wrong for saying Trump went way too far. By what logic does that make sense?
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Paul, Trump is the best friend that Israel has ever had in the white house. Israel, in case you didn’t know, is another country. How many millions of foreigners does he have to support, before youd say he doesn’t hate foreigners?

You criticized the original travel ban for not going far enough - americans we’re allowed to return from china. But Biden and Schumer said the ban was too
much and not necessary. What do you think of that?

Biden claimed trump should not have restricted chinese from traveling here. He went further and said the ban was racist.

You said the ban didn’t go far enough, but you cannot bring yourself to say Biden was dead wrong.

You’re trying to have it both ways. You’re saying Trump didn’t go far enough, yet you won’t say Biden was wrong for saying Trump went way too far. By what logic does that make sense?
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It's never been understood to mean each and every foreigner so he could marry one or like foreigners from one country and hate foreigners from a host of other countries.

Can you pls. pull up the Schumer quote as I have not seen it?

Every person can have a different idea if a policy is good or not. I'm agnostic on whether it was or not. That is why I said earlier damn if you do or damn if you don't and if you think it was good - good for you. Overall I think he has done a terrible job (lying, blaming others, down playing it, not wanting to bring the Americans back bc he didn't want the #s to go up, his lack of empathy, his horrible speech, refusing to take any responsibility, etc). Yesterday he seemed to be doing a better job by finally realizing this isn't going away. He won't get a 10 from me regardless of how he ranks himself.

He should just let Fauci talk.

Do you agree you seem to want people to praise Trump for some reason?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

It's never been understood to mean each and every foreigner so he could marry one or like foreigners from one country and hate foreigners from a host of other countries.

Is there a certain number of foreigners that must be hated from a country before it can be considered xenophobic? Is it, like, over 50, or over a thousand, or more, or less?

Of Trump's three wives, two have been from other countries--two different countries. He certainly exhibits an affinity toward Israel. He has praised many other countries for various reasons. He claims to be on friendly terms with representatives of most of the many countries he politically or commercially deals with. I have never heard him say that all or most of the people from any country are hateful or contemptible. Temporarily banning people from certain countries because of some medical or safety concerns is not xenophobia. Nor is saying something like Mexico is not sending its best people. And to claim that Haiti is a $hit country is comparatively true and does not mean that the people are $hitty or to be hated. And none of these things are evidence, nor, certainly, verification of xenophobia.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

It's never been understood to mean each and every foreigner so he could marry one or like foreigners from one country and hate foreigners from a host of other countries.

Can you pls. pull up the Schumer quote as I have not seen it?

Every person can have a different idea if a policy is good or not. I'm agnostic on whether it was or not. That is why I said earlier damn if you do or damn if you don't and if you think it was good - good for you. Overall I think he has done a terrible job (lying, blaming others, down playing it, not wanting to bring the Americans back bc he didn't want the #s to go up, his lack of empathy, his horrible speech, refusing to take any responsibility, etc). Yesterday he seemed to be doing a better job by finally realizing this isn't going away. He won't get a 10 from me regardless of how he ranks himself.

He should just let Fauci talk.

Do you agree you seem to want people to praise Trump for some reason?

"It's never been understood to mean each and every foreigner "

I already said I agree with that. How many foreigners does one have to go to bat for, before you'd decide he's not a xenophobe?

"I'm agnostic on whether it was or not."

Fine. But for the 4th or 5th time, is it reasonable to assume the policy was rooted in bigotry?

Schumers line was in the thread I started the thread got removed...
"travel ban to and from China by the current administration is just an excuse to further his ongoing war against immigrants. "
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No possible justifiable medical reason, just an excuse to hurt immigrants. No possible benefit for Americans, nope.

What gets me is the same people who attacked him for the travel restrictions, are now saying he didn't do enough. And no one can criticize what Biden or Schumer said.