Trump newest attack on environment

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Trump couldn’t give a sh*t about clean water, clean air or future generations, all he wants is that stock market to keep climbing. Future generations will get the check and it’s going to be difficult to pay. SD is of the same mindset, he too sees only his hands in front of his face.

Guys, there are scientists who say it's serious, there are scientists who say it's not. And there's a looooong list of predictions made by your side, which were laughably (and fortunatly) way off base. Which means the modeling is so heavily based on assumptions, some of which are off.

Trump doesn't breathe air or drink water?

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Guys, there are scientists who say it's serious, there are scientists who say it's not. And there's a looooong list of predictions made by your side, which were laughably (and fortunatly) way off base. Which means the modeling is so heavily based on assumptions, some of which are off.

Trump doesn't breathe air or drink water?

Hard to see it with your head in the sand, pull it out and look around, your blind if you can’t see it. Climate change is very real and h happening faster every year and as much as I love getting 2-3 rounds of golf in every week in the middle of winter, future generations (your grand children) could be fuc*ked if we don’t address it aggressively.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Hard to see it with your head in the sand, pull it out and look around, your blind if you can’t see it. Climate change is very real and h happening faster every year and as much as I love getting 2-3 rounds of golf in every week in the middle of winter, future generations (your grand children) could be fuc*ked if we don’t address it aggressively.

Keep golfing or join Greta to make a difference in the world.

Or u could shut up with the false emergency. Your choice.
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[scottw]

golfing is terrible for the environment..I would never do it

Golf courses are actually very controversial when discussing the environment, as there are prices to pay for those lush fairways and manicured greens.

The Problems With Golf

Among the primary concerns of environmentalists with regard to golf courses are: the use of non-native grasses in golf course construction, elimination or interruption of natural habitats, overuse of fertilizers, water and pesticides, overuse of gasoline in mowers and golf carts, the massive habitat upheaval inherent in constructing a golf course, and the interruption of natural waterways that may wreak havoc on coastlines.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by scottw

golfing is terrible for the environment..I would never do it

Golf courses are actually very controversial when discussing the environment, as there are prices to pay for those lush fairways and manicured greens.

The Problems With Golf

Among the primary concerns of environmentalists with regard to golf courses are: the use of non-native grasses in golf course construction, elimination or interruption of natural habitats, overuse of fertilizers, water and pesticides, overuse of gasoline in mowers and golf carts, the massive habitat upheaval inherent in constructing a golf course, and the interruption of natural waterways that may wreak havoc on coastlines.

Barnstable has gone all natural no chemicals, stinks when it’s freshly laid down and our fees have gone up some to pay for it, but like people many see the need for change and others are only concerned about the money.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Keep golfing or join Greta to make a difference in the world.

Or u could shut up with the false emergency. Your choice.
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The false emergency really that’s rich. So the overwhelming majority of the scientific community is waving a red warning flag, coastal cities are changing building codes in acknowledgement of the trouble on the horizon and they even just moved the world clock closer to midnight than it’s ever been. I know it’s all about you and your bank account, your grand children and they kids will put thank you flowers on your grave.

[scottw]

there is nothing natural about any golf course

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by scottw

there is nothing natural about any golf course

As opposed to what, cities full of steel and concrete, or walking on a machine close to sweaty bodies, many hacking from colds or flu symptoms. Some man made things are pretty damn natural.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Some man made things are pretty damn natural.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

there is nothing natural about any golf course

Right! How much fertilizer does a golf course use? How many trees get cut down?

[Sea Dangles]

they even just moved the world clock closer to midnight than it’s ever been[/QUOTE]

Oh no!
🙀
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Hard to see it with your head in the sand, pull it out and look around, your blind if you can’t see it. Climate change is very real and h happening faster every year and as much as I love getting 2-3 rounds of golf in every week in the middle of winter, future generations (your grand children) could be fuc*ked if we don’t address it aggressively.

i agree we don’t really have winters anymore. it’s changing. But “change” isn’t new. it’s not like things have always been exactly the same until recently. so unless nothing ever “changes”, that’s proof that you’re right?

i think things are changing, i think there’s a chance it’s because of
us. i want to study it. but i want the studies done by objective scientists, not activists.

GS, i build predictive models for insurance companies. the models are easy to build ( meaning the future is easy to predict), because we have so much actual, relevant data. i can accurately predict how much you need to charge 16 year olds for car insurance, because i have millions and millions and millions of records of data to tell
me exactly what kind of frequency and severity of accidents to predict.

Predicting the effects of climate change is not remotely similar. China and India have never been on the verge of industrializing before, so we have no idea what the effects will be. Not having any actual experience to rely on, you populate the models with assumptions.

the observed future accuracy of the models, tells you how good the assumptions were. The models have been laughably inaccurate up until now.

We are pumping more crap into the atmosphere. We know this. We don’t know with any certainty, the ability of the atmosphere or ocean currents to absorb it, or what will happen if they can’t.

i’m not a science denier. I build
predictive models for a living. But I’m not. zealot with a political agenda either. i’ll wager i jump through more hoops to spend more time on the water, under the water, and in the woods, than most people
here, and for sure i have a softer spot for animals that just about anyone. I’m absolutely persuadable on this issue, and i’m concerned about the issue. but not with unfounded gibberish.

if the models were accurate, North Dakota would be exporting pineapples by now. And if Al Gore really believed any of this ( as opposed to him seeing he could get filthy rich by saying we’re all going to die), he wouldn't live the way he does. Obviously he doesn’t believe what’s in the books he’s selling. which naturally makes
me skeptical.



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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i agree we don’t really have winters anymore. it’s changing. But “change” isn’t new. it’s not like things have always been exactly the same until recently. so unless nothing ever “changes”, that’s proof that you’re right?

i think things are changing, i think there’s a chance it’s because of
us. i want to study it. but i want the studies done by objective scientists, not activists.

GS, i build predictive models for insurance companies. the models are easy to build ( meaning the future is easy to predict), because we have so much actual, relevant data. i can accurately predict how much you need to charge 16 year olds for car insurance, because i have millions and millions and millions of records of data to tell
me exactly what kind of frequency and severity of accidents to predict.

Predicting the effects of climate change is not remotely similar. China and India have never been on the verge of industrializing before, so we have no idea what the effects will be. Not having any actual experience to rely on, you populate the models with assumptions.

the observed future accuracy of the models, tells you how good the assumptions were. The models have been laughably inaccurate up until now.

We are pumping more crap into the atmosphere. We know this. We don’t know with any certainty, the ability of the atmosphere or ocean currents to absorb it, or what will happen if they can’t.

i’m not a science denier. I build
predictive models for a living. But I’m not. zealot with a political agenda either. i’ll wager i jump through more hoops to spend more time on the water, under the water, and in the woods, than most people
here, and for sure i have a softer spot for animals that just about anyone. I’m absolutely persuadable on this issue, and i’m concerned about the issue. but not with unfounded gibberish.

if the models were accurate, North Dakota would be exporting pineapples by now. And if Al Gore really believed any of this ( as opposed to him seeing he could get filthy rich by saying we’re all going to die), he wouldn't live the way he does. Obviously he doesn’t believe what’s in the books he’s selling. which naturally makes
me skeptical.



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Insurance companies probably have a really good idea about what the financial impact is today vs ten years ago due to disasters that may likely be due to changing climate. Entire ecosystems are in jeopardy, glaciers are melting at a fast pace, a beach thousands walked on in my youth doesn’t exist now with water right up to the sea wall, what concerns me is that the scientific community predicts there may be a point reached soon where the change can’t be halted or reversed.

So in the business your in, you know full well that if that prediction is true, the impact to everyone and everything on earth will be devastating. It’s not like gambling like Boston did, that the T and it’s antiquated system will last another decade, this gamble will cost lives, ecosystems and if it can be fixed the price tag down the road will be ten fold or more beyond today’s cost of prevention.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

you know full well that if that prediction is true, the impact to everyone and everything on earth will be devastating. .

Agreed, if the predictions are true, we are in deep sh*t. Fortunately, none of the previous dire predictions have come close to coming true. I'm the kind of person, where if someone is wrong again and again and again and again, at some point they lose credibility and I stop listening. Especially when the person doing the forecasting, claims that the solution, coincidentally, is to give their side tremendous control over the rest of us. I'm persuadable, very persuadable, but I'm not going to unquestioningly put all my eggs in one basket or the other. That's what lefty zealots do.

This is why I can't listen to Sean Hannity. I gave him a shot, but so much of what he says turns out to be BS, so I stopped watching him. Liberals never seem to stop believing anyone on the left. So Rachael Maddow still has an audience, and Paul Krugman still gets paid to offer opinions on TV, even though hose two are demonstrably wrong almost 100% of the time.

If we really worried about carbon emissions, we'd be building nuclear plants as fast as humanly possible, as it couldn't be more clear that wind and solar can't come close to getting it done. But the left doesn't want nuclear plants either. So where is the electricity supposed to come from, are we all supposed to walk around all day, rubbing balloons on our heads?

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Guys, there are scientists who say it's serious, there are scientists who say it's not. And there's a looooong list of predictions made by your side, which were laughably (and fortunatly) way off base. Which means the modeling is so heavily based on assumptions, some of which are off.

Trump doesn't breathe air or drink water?

Jim,

Can you post the source about which scientists thought the clean water rule changes were not a Big deal? I read a few articles from different sources and didn't find that. That was the original topic in this thread before the tangents

(If you were talking climate change we have debated that enough, I don't have time do argue with you on that today and we can leave it as agree to disagree)
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Jim,

Can you post the source about which scientists thought the clean water rule changes were not a Big deal? I read a few articles from different sources and didn't find that. That was the original topic in this thread before the tangents

(If you were talking climate change we have debated that enough, I don't have time do argue with you on that today and we can leave it as agree to disagree)
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i wasn’t talking about the clean water rule. we can debate as little or as much as you’d like, but know with all sincerity ( because tone can be difficult to discern) that i respect the way you think, i agree with you more than i disagree with you, i read every word you write and i think about every word you write. i don’t say that about too many people.
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i wasn’t talking about the clean water rule. we can debate as little or as much as you’d like, but know with all sincerity ( because tone can be difficult to discern) that i respect the way you think, i agree with you more than i disagree with you, i read every word you write and i think about every word you write. i don’t say that about too many people.
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Appreciate on that.
Any thoughts on the original topic of the thread?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Appreciate on that.
Any thoughts on the original topic of the thread?
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i don’t know
much about it, i’ll look into it. have a good weekend Bry.
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