Simplified viewpoint I agree with

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

This problem started with the withdrawal from the treaty

no it didn't

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

no it didn't

everything was peachy with Iran until Orange Man nullified the treaty. even the jews and arabs were having block parties together until Trump came along.
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[Got Stripers]

Iran has been at it forever, not what I meant and tell me you both didn't understand it, or do I need to use bold font or blue font. The escalation of hostilities by Iran started after the withdrawal. Do you think the drone attack, the ship harassment or more importantly the attack on the Saudia oil production would have happened had we not withdrawn and tightened sanctions.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Iran has been at it forever.....


Do you think the drone attack, the ship harassment or more importantly the attack on the Saudia oil production would have happened had we not withdrawn and tightened sanctions.

I think you answered your own question

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Do you think the drone attack, the ship harassment or more importantly the attack on the Saudia oil production would have happened had we not withdrawn and tightened sanctions.

yes.

did this Soleimani guy retire from killing westerners, after obama
signed that treaty? because i’ve never heard anyone claim that. you seem to be saying iran acted
like a loyal ally while the treaty was in place.
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

yes.

did this Soleimani guy retire from killing westerners, after obama
signed that treaty? because i’ve never heard anyone claim that. you seem to be saying iran acted
like a loyal ally while the treaty was in place.
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I seriously doubt the level of hostility between the treaty being signed and Trump pulling out is anywhere even close to what has happened since, good luck trying to make that case. But hey, it's what the coolaid drinking right is believing, maybe you can tell that to all the dead since this escalated. It now appears the jet was shot down by Iran, so the head count is just getting bigger, it won't be long before American dead are added to this.

[fishgolf]

Soleimani's job was to ensure that Shia control in Sunni dominated regions was furthered through his Quds Force. He was doing this regardless of Nuke deal or anything else. Yes, he fought ISIS in Syria, not as an ally of the US, but because ISIS is Sunni. Saudi Arabia is Sunni and our ally, therefore a drone attack on their oil production. Iraq has a Sunni minority that has recently protested the government - repressed (some killed) by the Shia controlled government. Thinking of these regions as "states" with boundaries is not how the local's think (Just like the border of Pakistan and Afghanistan is irrelevant to the locals there).

Removing Soleimani is only a temporary setback to an ideology that will not stop at inflicting its religion on all within reach.