US raid against Islamic State

[Pete F.]

It's not about being nice.
It's about making sure that we do not furnish them the ammunition they use to recruit disciples and further their cause, while keeping the pressure on.
It requires restraint, planning and keeping the endgoal in mind, none of which Trump seems to be capable of.
Belichick, Brady and the Patriots are a good example of how this works, our military and diplomatic corp use the same methods and have quite successfully.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

It's not about being nice.
It's about making sure that we do not furnish them the ammunition they use to recruit disciples and further their cause, while keeping the pressure on.
It requires restraint, planning and keeping the endgoal in mind, none of which Trump seems to be capable of.
Belichick, Brady and the Patriots are a good example of how this works, our military and diplomatic corp use the same methods and have quite successfully.

bullsh*t.

the fact that we let girls
go to school, drive, and not force them to dress like ninjas, is enough to make them want to kill us all. the fact that i choose not to wear a beard is enough to make them
want to kill us all. appeasement isn’t a viable option here, nor should we aspire to it.

can you libs get one right, even by accident, once in a while?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

bullsh*t.

the fact that we let girls
go to school, drive, and not force them to dress like ninjas, is enough to make them want to kill us all. the fact that i choose not to wear a beard is enough to make them
want to kill us all. appeasement isn’t a viable option here, nor should we aspire to it.

can you libs get one right, even by accident, once in a while?
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What drugs are you on, where does anything i wrote say appeasement is the thing to do.

Giving them ammunition for propaganda like the Orange Idiot did is foolish and equally as valuable as guns to them.

No human is born hating, they are taught to hate.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

What drugs are you on, where does anything i wrote say appeasement is the thing to do.

Giving them ammunition for propaganda like the Orange Idiot did is foolish and equally as valuable as guns to them.

No human is born hating, they are taught to hate.

you’re saying we should
avoid giving them recruiting propaganda. someone said that. it’s completely absurd. no matter what we do, unless we live exactly like them, they will hate us. hell, they hate other muslims who are only slightly different than they are.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you’re saying we should
avoid giving them recruiting propaganda. someone said that. it’s completely absurd. no matter what we do, unless we live exactly like them, they will hate us. hell, they hate other muslims who are only slightly different than they are.
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I said that and it is in no way absurd, it may be hard.

Do you think it should be the policy of the United States to eradicate Muslims from the face of the earth?

If not, how do you propose to choose the good from the bad?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I said that and it is in no way absurd, it may be hard.

Do you think it should be the policy of the United States to eradicate Muslims from the face of the earth?

If not, how do you propose to choose the good from the bad?

it is absurd, because we know they’ll hate us no matter what. obama wasn’t nearly as offensive as trump is, now
many jihadists laid down their arms
because of obama’s charm? granted, spence probably had trouble functioning becUse he was always swooning, but i’m guessing obamas softer public stance and language, didn’t incentivize any jihadists into giving up the cause.

if trump had kept his
mouth shut, they’d find another propaganda tool. you’re talking about people who use adults with down’s syndrome as suicide bombers. they aren’t human, they’re filthy disgusting animals.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

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Do you think it should be the policy of the United States to eradicate Muslims from the face of the earth?

If not, how do you propose to choose the good from the bad?

muslims, no. jihadists, yes.

it’s not easy to differentiate, but when you know you’ve identified a bad one, trap him in a tunnel and sick the dogs like we did with this scumbag. better yet, wild hogs.

and it’s not our responsibility, but the worlds.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

It's not about being nice.
It's about making sure that we do not furnish them the ammunition they use to recruit disciples and further their cause, while keeping the pressure on.

Pete, this did not happen in a vacuum, overnight. What was the cause 20-30 years ago? 100 years ago? 500?

Originally Posted by Pete F.

It requires restraint, planning and keeping the endgoal in mind, none of which Trump seems to be capable of.

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Belichick, Brady and the Patriots are a good example of how this works, our military and diplomatic corp use the same methods and have quite successfully.

Has not been applied for decades and the results show.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Pete, this did not happen in a vacuum, overnight. What was the cause 20-30 years ago? 100 years ago? 500?

What changed 100 years ago when the Ottoman Empire was partitioned after WWI?




Has not been applied for decades and the results show.

When we began the so-called War on Terror after 9/11, we held the moral high ground not only in our own eyes but in the eyes of people around the world. We lost a great deal of that moral high ground over the years during incidents like Abu Ghraib and Nisour Square that showed our personnel behaving not much better than the people we fought. But even then, our Embassy spokespeople and public affairs staff were able to point to our justice system and explain that — unlike the terrorists — we have a foundational commitment to holding bad actors accountable. And we could differentiate between ourselves and the terrorists we killed because we were defending ourselves, not taking delight in death or coming close to sounding sadistic. Our friends and partners could see us claim that, though we have been at war in the Middle East for almost two decades, we don’t enjoy it and wish it were otherwise. We gave bin Laden a proper Muslim burial not because we cared about him, but because retaining the moral high ground meant showing respect for religion if not for the man. And we always talked about that killing as a necessity, not a delight. Trump, in using almost gleeful language that echoes language the terrorists themselves use when they talk about killing Americans, eroded some of our remaining moral high ground. And that, in turn, will make it more difficult to find or keep friends and partners we may need in the future. This is but one of America's strengths that Trump is throwing away.

I will give Trump credit for recognizing that it was critical to make sure that al-Baghdadi’s followers or those who might be inspired in the future do not see him as having died a hero or a martyr. But Trump, as usual, could not resist gilding the lily without apparent concern for the consequences.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

When we began the so-called War on Terror after 9/11, we held the moral high ground not only in our own eyes but in the eyes of people around the world. We lost a great deal of that moral high ground over the years during incidents like Abu Ghraib and Nisour Square that showed our personnel behaving not much better than the people we fought. But even then, our Embassy spokespeople and public affairs staff were able to point to our justice system and explain that — unlike the terrorists — we have a foundational commitment to holding bad actors accountable. And we could differentiate between ourselves and the terrorists we killed because we were defending ourselves, not taking delight in death or coming close to sounding sadistic. Our friends and partners could see us claim that, though we have been at war in the Middle East for almost two decades, we don’t enjoy it and wish it were otherwise. We gave bin Laden a proper Muslim burial not because we cared about him, but because retaining the moral high ground meant showing respect for religion if not for the man. And we always talked about that killing as a necessity, not a delight. Trump, in using almost gleeful language that echoes language the terrorists themselves use when they talk about killing Americans, eroded some of our remaining moral high ground. And that, in turn, will make it more difficult to find or keep friends and partners we may need in the future. This is but one of America's strengths that Trump is throwing away.

I will give Trump credit for recognizing that it was critical to make sure that al-Baghdadi’s followers or those who might be inspired in the future do not see him as having died a hero or a martyr. But Trump, as usual, could not resist gilding the lily without apparent concern for the consequences.

Yep - the US effed up several things there, and some people milked that situation for all it is worth, but still the most benevolent Army you will run into. Concede the Moral High Ground my a$$ - tell me Pete - who maintains a higher moral high ground, a higher standard than the US Military at war?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Yep - the US effed up several things there, and some people milked that situation for all it is worth, but still the most benevolent Army you will run into. Concede the Moral High Ground my a$$ - tell me Pete - who maintains a higher moral high ground, a higher standard than the US Military at war?

Nobody but
Appearance is everything
There’s always a tweet
At the request of many, I will be reviewing the case of a “U.S. Military hero,” Major Matt Golsteyn, who is charged with murder. He could face the death penalty from our own government after he admitted to killing a Terrorist bomb maker while overseas.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Nobody but
Appearance is everything
There’s always a tweet

And there is the difference. It is not about goals (reducing terrorism, increasing stability) it is about the bad orange man.

You have achieved the remarkable, you have been able to stain Trump with Abu Ghraib - Outstanding.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

And there is the difference. It is not about goals (reducing terrorism, increasing stability) it is about the bad orange man.

You have achieved the remarkable, you have been able to stain Trump with Abu Ghraib - Outstanding.

there’s no such thing as unacceptable collateral damage, when it comes to attacking the orange man.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by JohnR

And there is the difference. It is not about goals (reducing terrorism, increasing stability) it is about the bad orange man.

You have achieved the remarkable, you have been able to stain Trump with Abu Ghraib - Outstanding.

When the Commander in Chief inserts himself into an investigation of a war crime our military and the rest of the world pay attention.
All this little #^&#^&#^&#^& matters.
The damage this idiot has done will take years to remediate.
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