Keep It Up, Ilhan Omar

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

What i am suggesting is that just as the Inquisition, the Crusades, was fomented by the Catholic Church, and other attacks done in the name of God by other religion or sects, that it can happen again and likely will.

The Srebrenica massacre in 1995 was not done in the name of God. The Bosnian war was basically an ethnic war. It was "ethnic cleansing." The Bosniaks (Bosnian Muslims) were officialy accepted to be an ethnic or national identity by the Yugoslav government. When the Serbian dominated Yugoslavia was broken apart in WWII, the animosities between, Serbs, Croats, Bosnians flared up into violent internecine massacres which was quelled for a while under the Communist reunification under Tito. But the underlying ethnic hate for each other erupted when Yugoslavia was again dissolved into the different national entities. Ethnic Croats who were Christians were also killed by Serbs, and vice versa.

The Crusades were a thousand years ago. And they were not unprovoked Christian wars against Islam. Islam had been the invader of Christian Europe and the brutal massacre or conversion and oppression of Christians in the Middle East. The Crusades were a retaking of and return of land to Christians. They were not intended to eliminate Islam from the earth. When the U.S. fought the Barbary Pirates, it was a retaliatory war, not an attempt to eliminate or conquer Islam. When Bush invaded Iraq, It was not a Christian holy war. There is no indication, nor any inclination, that Christianity wants a war with Islam. Such a war is not mandated nor desired in the tenets of Christianity. But such a war against Christians, Jews, and all non-Muslims is mandated in the sacred scriptures and foundation of Islam.

You can fear Christians if you wish. I wouldn't want to waste time dissuading you. But I think your fears are exaggerated, and probably of the wrong religion.

Men, in looking at religion, their own and others often read things into the writings that they want to see. That doesn't make it correct, except in their own mind.

Among the people there is he whose discourse on the life of the world pleases you, and he calls on God as witness to what is in his heart, yet he is an unyielding and antagonistic adversary. When he turns and leaves, he walks about corrupting the earth, destroying crops and livestock – God loves not corruption (Q2:204–205)

I don't read anything into the Religion of Islam. I read what the leaders and ruling clerics of Islam say and have said. I've quoted them in previous threads about Islam on this forum. They say, categorically, that Islam is not compatible with democracy, especially Western style democracy. And the scripture they follow commands them to do Jihad against the unbelievers. Jihad of the sword if necessary and possible. It is only a religion of peace when it rules. And all the privileges of peace it speaks about applies to Muslims. Not to unbelievers.

And those good Muslims that want to get along with the rest of the world admit that their religion needs to be reformed. In their mind, there are Muslims who, personally, practice a reformed version. But the official hierarchies of the Religion have no illusions about reform. They recoil at the notion that their perfect religion needs any change. That would be blasphemy against Allah and Mohammad. So, until the high official leaders of the Religion say so, it has not yet been reformed.

As for Christianity, the religion seems to be transforming in many ways to a more secularly oriented social justice ministry. More and more in some cases to a Progressive ministry. That may be even more frightening to those who want to protect Western civilization

Actually, the loss of will to war against enemies that use our own laws against us, is more worrisome than the notion that Christians are now prone to go on some crusade.

[Jim in CT]

Pete -

Detbuch is right, the notion that the Christians were the aggressors in the Crusades is, to be charitable, debatable.

I also asked about Bosnia because I wasn't sure if it was Christians massacring others in the name of religion. Your facts could use some shoring up.

"No religious bearing when Christians kill Muslims except if your Pope tells them to?"

Doesn't have to be the Pope, but needs to be an accepted leader. If I tell Catholics to bomb abortion clinics, and some nut listens to me, that's not the fault of the Catholic Church, because "the Church" didn't tell anyone to do such a thing.

With the jihadists, it's a very different story.

"I too have said, God I wish people would smarten up"

Yes, because that's exactly the same as saying "Allah, please let the world see how Isreal has hypnotized them."

I'm trying to treat you like an adult, you don't make it easy with insane equivalencies like that.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I'm trying to treat you like an adult, you don't make it easy with insane equivalencies like that.

that's pretty funny

I hope IO and AOC continue to be outspoken....I wish pete would be put on a word count

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

that's pretty funny

I hope IO and AOC continue to be outspoken....I wish pete would be put on a word count

I hear you, but I can't equate those two, AOC is as entertaining and harmless as a dim-witted puppy who chews its tail because it hasn't figured out that the back half is connected to the front half. . Omar is dangerous, I wouldn't want more than one of her. And clearly she thinks the Jews are a bit much.

The democrats really have a challenge on their hands, to contain those 2, plus that other Muslim nut from Michigan who thought it was funny that she called Trump an m-fer to her child. Ha ha ha, please stop my stomach hurts from laughing.

This freshman class of fanatical liberal hens is really something...whew. They make Obama look like Eisenhower.

[scottw]

rut...roh...

Minnesota Rep. Ilhan Omar ripped former President Barack Obama in an interview published Friday, belittling his “pretty face” and saying his agenda of hope and change was an illusion.

She cited the “caging of kids” at the Mexican border and the “droning of countries around the world” on Obama’s watch — and argued that he wasn’t much different from President Trump

“We can’t be only upset with Trump,” the freshman firebrand told Politico Magazine.

“And that’s not what we should be looking for anymore. We don’t want anybody to get away with murder because they are polished. We want to recognize the actual policies that are behind the pretty face and the smile.”

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

rut...roh...

Minnesota Rep. Ilhan Omar ripped former President Barack Obama in an interview published Friday, belittling his “pretty face” and saying his agenda of hope and change was an illusion.

She cited the “caging of kids” at the Mexican border and the “droning of countries around the world” on Obama’s watch — and argued that he wasn’t much different from President Trump

“We can’t be only upset with Trump,” the freshman firebrand told Politico Magazine.

“And that’s not what we should be looking for anymore. We don’t want anybody to get away with murder because they are polished. We want to recognize the actual policies that are behind the pretty face and the smile.”

well, well!!