Jussie Smullett hoax

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I have little doubt he lied. His lie, would not have sent anyone to prison, would it? Did he name specific people by name, like what happened to that Sandman kid in KY, who may soon own the Washington Post?

Ok, bc I was confused bc you asked earlier who was the one lying.

I believe Trump repeatedly said that the central park 5 raped the women even after everyone else knew they didn't do it. So he continued to try to ruin their lives. And Trump continued to lie about "thousands and thousands" celebrating the WTC. I'm sure many faced repercussions from his continuing lying.

And the Repub. made him our President. If he was a Dem. you would be starting weekly threads stating how the Dems. don't have any morals and blah blah blah.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Ok, bc I was confused bc you asked earlier who was the one lying.

I believe Trump repeatedly said that the central park 5 raped the women even after everyone else knew they didn't do it. So he continued to try to ruin their lives. And Trump continued to lie about "thousands and thousands" celebrating the WTC. I'm sure many faced repercussions from his continuing lying.

And the Repub. made him our President. If he was a Dem. you would be starting weekly threads stating how the Dems. don't have any morals and blah blah blah.

Not sure how many times I have to say that Trump is a scumbag. I can admit that. You point out the bad stuff he does, and I say you're right he's a scumbag. I point out bad stuff the left does, and you respond by pointing out bad stuff Trump does. If you're saying that all these liberal politicians and media talking heads are no better than Trump, I agree (to a point), but you don't seem to want to say that. I point out good and bad on both sides, I don't see you doing that. I see you endlessly pointing out bad stuff that the right does.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

If you're saying that all these liberal politicians and media talking heads are no better than Trump, I agree (to a point), but you don't seem to want to say that.I have said that dozens of times. Both sides have bad actors and that is not limited to Trump on the right. I point out good and bad on both sides, I don't see you doing that.True, I don't point out good things on either side. I think I am consistent in that regard. I see you endlessly pointing out bad stuff that the right does.

The vast majority of the time I point out the bad things on the right in response to your blaming the left and it is to show as you said above, to point out that both sides do somethings.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

The vast majority of the time I point out the bad things on the right in response to your blaming the left and it is to show as you said above, to point out that both sides do somethings.

you are the yin to jim's yang...you complete each other

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

you are the yin to jim's yang...you complete each other

We try. Soul mates.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

We try. Soul mates.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Not sure how many times I have to say that Trump is a scumbag. I can admit that. You point out the bad stuff he does, and I say you're right he's a scumbag. I point out bad stuff the left does, and you respond by pointing out bad stuff Trump does. If you're saying that all these liberal politicians and media talking heads are no better than Trump, I agree (to a point), but you don't seem to want to say that. I point out good and bad on both sides, I don't see you doing that. I see you endlessly pointing out bad stuff that the right does.

If you can still support Don the Con, while ignoring the investigations, indictments, guilty pleas, lies, bullying, child imprisonment, money laundering, racism, misogyny, infidelity, environmental rape, and high treason, you’re not just misinformed.

I can deal with A turd, he's a pile of #^&#^&#^&#^&.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If you can still support Don the Con, while ignoring the investigations (still ongoing), indictments (Trump has not been indicted yet), guilty pleas (Trump has not yet pleaded guilty), lies, bullying, child imprisonment (was following precedent), money laundering (Trump has not yet been convicted of money laundering), racism, misogyny (Trump has not actually proven to be racist or mysogynist, in many cases it's quite the contrary), infidelity (not more than his famous predecessors, and not while in office), environmental rape (that's a matter of opinion not a fact), and high treason (He hasn't been officially charged much less proven guilty), you’re not just misinformed.

I can deal with A turd, he's a pile of #^&#^&#^&#^&.

Geeeez . . . I thought the very recent Kavanaugh, Covington kids, and Jessie Smollet things would teach us not to rush to judgment!

[scottw]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Geeeez . . . I thought the very recent Kavanaugh, Covington kids, and Jessie Smollet things would teach us not to rush to judgment!

pete works really hard to convince himself of things.......

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Geeeez . . . I thought the very recent Kavanaugh, Covington kids, and Jessie Smollet things would teach us not to rush to judgment!

He was not following precedent, he changed the policy to separate ALL children from parents.
Quantity counts, a turd here and there is one thing, a pile you’re a Macher, some people still have a sense of smell.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

He was not following precedent, he changed the policy to separate ALL children from parents.
Quantity counts, a turd here and there is one thing, a pile you’re a Macher, some people still have a sense of smell.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

"Quantity counts,"

SO putting 5 year-olds in cages is OK, as long as you do it less than a maximum number of times?

Off the top of your head, without looking, do you have any idea how often Obama did it, and how often Trump did it? I bet you don't. Yet somehow, you know Obama did it an acceptable number of times, but Trump exceeded that number. Funny how that always works out for you.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Quantity counts,"

SO putting 5 year-olds in cages is OK, as long as you do it less than a maximum number of times?

Off the top of your head, without looking, do you have any idea how often Obama did it, and how often Trump did it? I bet you don't. Yet somehow, you know Obama did it an acceptable number of times, but Trump exceeded that number. Funny how that always works out for you.

Quantity referred to the smoke around Trump and his associates but since you asked.

No, I have time, I'll look it up for you. I've looked at the issue before.

It's really not that hard to understand the difference.

BUSH

President George W. Bush began the trend of a "zero tolerance" approach in 2005 with Operation Streamline, but during his administration, exceptions were generally made for adults traveling with minors.

OBAMA

U.S. President Barack Obama made changes to immigration policy, releasing parents and focusing on deportation of immigrants who committed crimes in the U.S. Attempting to cope with the 2014 American immigration crisis, a surge of refugees fleeing violence in Central America, while complying with the 1997 Flores v. Reno Settlement Agreement consent decree by keeping families together, under Obama the Department of Homeland Security built family detention centers in Pennsylvania, New Mexico, and Texas.

In 2015 Obama introduced the Family Case Management Program which, according to the fact sheet about the program, specifically prioritized "families with certain vulnerabilities, including pregnant or nursing family member; those with very young children; family members with medical/mental health concerns; families who speak only indigenous languages; and other special needs" to offer an alternative to being held in detention centers while awaiting the court to process their asylum claims, which often takes years.

Jeh Johnson, who served as homeland security secretary under Obama, said he did not separate children and parents despite the enormous surges of unaccompanied minors and families that came across the border in 2014 fleeing Central American violence.

"In three years on my watch, we probably deported or returned or repatriated about a million people to enforce border security. One of the things I could not do is separate a child from his or her mother, or literally pull a mother from his or her arms," Johnson said on MSNBC last week. “I just couldn’t do it.”

Obama’s top domestic policy adviser, Cecilia Muñoz, said the Obama administration did consider a similar policy, but determined it heartless.

"The agencies were surfacing every possible idea,” Muñoz told The New York Times in an interview recently. "I do remember looking at each other like, ‘We’re not going to do this, are we?’ We spent five minutes thinking it through and concluded that it was a bad idea. The morality of it was clear — that’s not who we are."

TRUMP

The Trump administration family separation policy was an aspect of U.S. President Donald Trump's immigration policy. The policy was presented to the public as a "zero tolerance" approach intended to deter illegal immigration and to encourage tougher legislation. It was adopted across the whole U.S.–Mexico border from April 2018 until June 2018.

Under Trump's policy, federal authorities separated children from parents or guardians with whom they had entered the US. The adults were prosecuted and held in federal jails, and the children placed under the supervision of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

The Trump administration separated 1,995 children from 1,940 adults from April 19 to May 31, a spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security said Friday, a period in which the "zero tolerance" policy was in effect.

President Donald Trump rescinded the policy June 20, 2018, after a public outcry about it. The Department of Health and Human Services initially reported caring for 2,654 children after Trump's order.

But the department’s inspector general reported Thursday that Customs and Border Protection’s El Paso sector had begun implementing policies that separated families in July 2017.

Under a federal court order, HHS eventually identified 2,737 children that were cared for after Trump’s order.

“However, thousands of children may have been separated during an influx that began in 2017, before the accounting required by the court, and HHS has faced challenges in identifying separated children,” the 24-page report said.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

He was not following precedent, he changed the policy to separate ALL children from parents.
Quantity counts, a turd here and there is one thing, a pile you’re a Macher, some people still have a sense of smell.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

So you try to justify one out of nine rushes to judgement. That's weak. And wrong. Trump didn't change the supposed precedent. Sessions did. And Sessions was following the law. And Trump was the one who ended it.

If the law had been followed correctly in the past, many parents would likely have changed their minds about trying to illegally cross the border, especially with their children. And the children were often used to help game the system. And American children are routinely separated from parents who are incarcerated. The whole thing was a dumb meme to smear the attempt to restrict illegal immigration.

Your screed accused Trump of things before he has actually been convicted of them--a rush to judgment--as well as trying to make him out to be a far greater and beastly dropper of turds than he is.

The overkill does not speak well of you.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If you can still support Don the Con, while ignoring the investigations, indictments, guilty pleas, lies, bullying, child imprisonment, money laundering, racism, misogyny, infidelity, environmental rape, and high treason, you’re not just misinformed.

I can deal with A turd, he's a pile of #^&#^&#^&#^&.

"ignoring the investigations" which have produced zero evidence of an impeachable offense. If that's wrong, please be very specific.

"child imprisonment"

Trump began that process? It wasn't policy that he inherited? Google the photos that people used to hammer Trump, which then turned out to be form the Obama years.

When you list of all of the many moral transgressions, and you make no mention of the accomplishments, anyone would look bad. When you balance the bad with the good, it paints a different picture. Which is why you ignore the good, because you're not interested in the truthful picture, you're interested in The Narrative.