a moderate democratic message would run the table in 2020

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

A woman can do it with a coat hanger also with or without a lawyer or doctor.
If you have such concern about the unborn, a focus on making the great majority unnecessary by providing better options and hope would be far more effective than worrying about the few extreme examples.
Wealthy people will always have access to clinical abortions like Cohen purportedly arranged for Broidy to pay for.
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"A woman can do it with a coat hanger also with or without a lawyer or doctor."

Yes she can, that's called Darwinism. She can also give it up for adoption. Last time I checked, there are no large orphanages in this country. Babies get placed.

"If you have such concern about the unborn, a focus on making the great majority unnecessary"

The vast majority of unwanted pregnancies are already unnecessary. In this country, at this time, there are all kinds of ways to not get pregnant. Is this news to you?

"and hope "

And what is more hopeful than placing a baby with a couple that cannot have one of their own, but desperately want one?

"far more effective than worrying about the few extreme examples."

Says the guy who started this post with warnings of coat hangers. Because that's not posturing or fear-mongering...

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"A woman can do it with a coat hanger also with or without a lawyer or doctor."

Yes she can, that's called Darwinism. She can also give it up for adoption. Last time I checked, there are no large orphanages in this country. Babies get placed.

"If you have such concern about the unborn, a focus on making the great majority unnecessary"

The vast majority of unwanted pregnancies are already unnecessary. In this country, at this time, there are all kinds of ways to not get pregnant. Is this news to you?

"and hope "

And what is more hopeful than placing a baby with a couple that cannot have one of their own, but desperately want one?

"far more effective than worrying about the few extreme examples."

Says the guy who started this post with warnings of coat hangers. Because that's not posturing or fear-mongering...

I don't disagree that adoption is a better option and tell me do you believe women of childbearing age should be able to get birth control?

It's poor alone or young and scared women who have no hope or a father that would beat them for getting pregnant that make that choice. A coat hangar or a back alley abortion were the only choice till Roe vs Wade unless you were wealthy enough to go out of the country or another state or pay for a doctor who was willing to break the law.
Just think there are fewer abortions now than before 1973.
Ideally there would be none, good luck with getting to that point.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I don't disagree that adoption is a better option and tell me do you believe women of childbearing age should be able to get birth control?

It's poor alone or young and scared women who have no hope or a father that would beat them for getting pregnant that make that choice. A coat hangar or a back alley abortion were the only choice till Roe vs Wade unless you were wealthy enough to go out of the country or another state or pay for a doctor who was willing to break the law.
Just think there are fewer abortions now than before 1973.
Ideally there would be none, good luck with getting to that point.

"do you believe women of childbearing age should be able to get birth control?"

Yes. And they can. Condoms are everywhere.

"A coat hangar or a back alley abortion were the only choice till Roe vs Wade"

Adoption wasn't a choice?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"do you believe women of childbearing age should be able to get birth control?"

Yes. And they can. Condoms are everywhere.

"A coat hangar or a back alley abortion were the only choice till Roe vs Wade"

Adoption wasn't a choice?

If you were willing to deal with being an unmarried mother, it was quite the stigmata, though some women went to visit relatives for 6 or 7 months.
That too is not without baggage to be carried through life
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If you were willing to deal with being an unmarried mother, it was quite the stigmata, though some women went to visit relatives for 6 or 7 months.
That too is not without baggage to be carried through life
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when was the last time
single motherhood was stigmatized? not recently.

yes there is baggage. it’s called responsibility. not a big priority with liberals, it’s to be avoided at all
costs.
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[wdmso]

this is classic Conservatism when the run out of excuses and their Man and party becomes undefendable

they Break out the Tried and true abortion Card

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

this is classic Conservatism when the run out of excuses and their Man and party becomes undefendable

they Break out the Tried and true abortion Card

first, i’m not desperate. look at the economy and national
security. and i didn’t bring up abortion. cuomo and the VA governor did. if the democrats think 70% taxes and third trimester abortions are winning issues, have at it. read the title of the thread i started. i am correct. america would cast trump
aside for a
moderate democrats. not necessarily for a radical socialist. but that’s where the democrats are racing. it’s idiotic. it’s self destructive. and it’s because of trump.

if the starbucks ceo was the democratic
nominee, or someone like
daniel patrick moynihan, they’d win at least 45 states. someone like
liz warren will send independent voters running back to trump. maybe not enough for trump to win. but a moderate democrat could
not lose. only a radical lefties would orivudentrump a chance, and thats where it’s headed. it’s fascinating, watching the self destructive behavior that trump derangement syndrome can generate. Fascinating.

you think i brought up abortion? you don’t get it, you just don’t get it. cuomo signed his law, and spiked the football by lighting buildings in pink. the democrats are committing mass suicide in VA. racists and rapists. where are all the people who said women are to be believed, are any of them demanding that the lt givernor resign? or does that only apply to conservatives? i don’t think he should resign, not without any corroborating evidence. but i’m consistent. your side isn’t, they have no principles except winning.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

when was the last time
single motherhood was stigmatized?

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I think you mean "stigmatatized"