Manufactured Crisis

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Are you speaking of this statement? That some claim means ashamed?
As true as Trump saying MAGA means he thinks America sucks

"For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country, because it feels like hope is making a comeback … not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change."
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Quite frankly, I honestly don't know what she is trying to say in that sentence. Maybe other sentences in her statement clarifies it. Is she saying that for the first time as an adult she is truthfully proud of her country, not just the perfunctory, obligatory, but insincere show of pride she may have displayed in her adult past? And is so because her country had no hope during her adult past but now has? And that people were not hungry for change in her adult life until Barack was elected? Does she mean by "my country" that place where the special personal concerns of her adult life were for the first time being met? Because, surely there were millions who had already, before her coming of age and all along believed that "my country" gave them hope, and who, before she became an adult, either were hungry for change or didn't want any. Was she trying to tell us that her personal, particular "hope and change" materialized with the election of her husband, but before that the country was hopeless? Is that something the rest of us should applaud her for.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Quite frankly, I honestly don't know what she is trying to say in that sentence. Maybe other sentences in her statement clarifies it. Is she saying that for the first time as an adult she is truthfully proud of her country, not just the perfunctory, obligatory, but insincere show of pride she may have displayed in her adult past? And is so because her country had no hope during her adult past but now has? And that people were not hungry for change in her adult life until Barack was elected? Does she mean by "my country" that place where the special personal concerns of her adult life were for the first time being met? Because, surely there were millions who had already, before her coming of age and all along that "my country" gave them hope, and who, before she became an adult, either were hungry for change or didn't want any. Was she trying to tell us that her personal, particular "hope and change" materialized with the election of her husband? Is that something the rest of us should applaud her for.

Perhaps you try too hard.
I am typically proud of my children, sometimes they disappoint me or themselves and sometimes I am really proud of them. Does that make me ashamed of them?
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Perhaps you try too hard.
I am typically proud of my children, sometimes they disappoint me or themselves and sometimes I am really proud of them. Does that make me ashamed of them?
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I wasn't talking about being ashamed, nor about you and your children. I was talking about the sentence spoken by Michelle Obama which you cited. Are you trying too hard to claim that Ms. Obama was typically proud of her country, even though it held no hope nor desire for change until, for the first time, after Barack was elected, it finally did?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I wasn't talking about being ashamed, nor about you and your children. I was talking about the sentence spoken by Michelle Obama which you cited. Are you trying too hard to claim that Ms. Obama was typically proud of her country, even though it held no hope nor desire for change until, for the first time, after Barack was elected, it finally did?

I just can't turn her statement into ashamed, sounds like you can.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I just can't turn her statement into ashamed, sounds like you can.

Why ask me? I didn't try to do that. But I can see how it could be done. Even by you if you saw it that way. Being proud of a country for finally having hope could imply being ashamed of it during the time when it had none. Are you ashamed of your children when they act despicably?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Why ask me? I didn't try to do that. But I can see how it could be done. Even by you if you saw it that way. Being proud of a country for finally having hope could imply being ashamed of it during the time when it had none. Are you ashamed of your children when they act despicably?

Spin it however your little heart desires
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Spin it however your little heart desires
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Apparently you can't refute my "spin." Kinda makes the "spin" fairly accurate.