alternative to wall

[Jim in CT]

so i’ve had my question out here for a few hours ( how do cameras and sensors stop illegals
from entering), and i see
exactly zero responses to the question.

guys, when your beliefs can not withstand the scrutiny of such an obvious question, it’s tome to ask yourselves why you believe what you believe.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

so i’ve had my question out here for a few hours ( how do cameras and sensors stop illegals
from entering), and i see
exactly zero responses to the question.

guys, when your beliefs can not withstand the scrutiny of such an obvious question, it’s tome to ask yourselves why you believe what you believe.
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Jim, nobody is saying you only rely on a single method. We need a comprehensive approach that includes multimodal security, much improved ports of entry, adequate personnel, realistic guest worker provisions, working with Central American nations to curb corruption and crime etc...it’s a complex issue...but just stomping your feet for a wall which at this point is more symbolic than substance and being justified by fear and misinformation isn’t the way to solve a problem.

Not to mention how Trump’s own policies have made the humanitarian issue much worse. This is by far the most pressing problem which both Democrats and Republicans agreed to additional funding which Trump won’t sign.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Jim, nobody is saying you only rely on a single method. We need a comprehensive approach that includes multimodal security, much improved ports of entry, adequate personnel, realistic guest worker provisions, working with Central American nations to curb corruption and crime etc...it’s a complex issue...but just stomping your feet for a wall which at this point is more symbolic than substance and being justified by fear and misinformation isn’t the way to solve a problem.

Not to mention how Trump’s own policies have made the humanitarian issue much worse. This is by far the most pressing problem which both Democrats and Republicans agreed to additional funding which Trump won’t sign.
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how does
that squishy stuff you
list, eliminate the need for a wall?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

how does
that squishy stuff you
list, eliminate the need for a wall?
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I think we've discussed many times the potential waste or negatives of a giant wall focused solution. Let the experts assess where we need wall, fence, barrier electronics etc...

Remember as well the wall isn't a 5.7 billion solution, estimates are likely 25 billion or more and 10+ years to construct assuming you can overcome the legal and land owner challenges. Then you have to maintain it...

This isn't the solution to a "security crisis" born at a campaign rally.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I
This isn't the solution to a "security crisis" born at a campaign rally.

The dems voted for a wall in 2006 and 2013, so what campaign rally
are you referring to?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The dems voted for a wall in 2006 and 2013,

Where were those walls built under those acts?

[Slipknot]

It would be cheaper and a lot less headaches to give California to Mexico

The hatred of Trump is the whole problem with the issue and simple economics.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Where were those walls built under those acts?

they weren’t, i don’t think. regardless, as recently as 2013, the democrats were in favor of barriers. Now that Trump is potus, pelosi says they are immoral. and a 13th century solution to a 21st century problem.

in what century did 2006 and 2013 take place?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Where were those walls built under those acts?

They weren't because it never happened. 2006 was a bi-partisan bill that expanded fencing where it was needed, 2013 was another bi-partisan bill that had some money to study and improve fencing based on analysis, dramatically expand the number of border agents and provide some immigration reform but was killed by the GOP.