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[wdmso]

Trump urged Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., to change Senate rules and allow a simple majority to pass the spending bill, rather than 60 votes, a major disruption to Senate protocol known as the "nuclear option."

not sure why such behavior is not seen by Trmp fans as inappropriate
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Trump urged Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., to change Senate rules and allow a simple majority to pass the spending bill, rather than 60 votes, a major disruption to Senate protocol known as the "nuclear option."

not sure why such behavior is not seen by Trmp fans as inappropriate
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It has always required only 51 percent of the votes to pass a bill in the Senate. The 60 vote Senate rule is to get cloture on debate.

It's not unconstitutional. It's not illegal. It's a Senate self imposed rule that has changed over time. The nuclear option has already been invoked a couple of times, so the Senate rule and custom has already been changed. Appropriateness is in the eyes of the Senators. If 51 go with it, then only 51 votes are needed for cloture. Then the vote can be taken, and if 51 or 50 plus the Vice President vote to pass a bill, it goes to the Pres to be signed.

It becomes a sore spot to the party that is not in power, which will say things like it's inappropriate, even though they have done so in the past.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Trump urged Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., to change Senate rules and allow a simple majority to pass the spending bill, rather than 60 votes, a major disruption to Senate protocol known as the "nuclear option."

not sure why such behavior is not seen by Trmp fans as inappropriate
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do you know who came
up with the nuclear option, and when? it wasn’t trump. harry reid started it. god almighty. what’s good for the goose...
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

do you know who came
up with the nuclear option, and when? it wasn’t trump. harry reid started it. god almighty. what’s good for the goose...
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You guys are funny he had the Senate and the House for 2 years

But now since his party lost the house he wants to change the rules I call that a sore loser

Again JIM what Harry Reid did was for judges appoints not legislation and Trump has used that change...
But once again you see them as the same

It's not unconstitutional. It's not illegal. The new conservatives rational when their party behaves unethical or TRUMP

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

You guys are funny he had the Senate and the House for 2 years

But now since his party lost the house he wants to change the rules I call that a sore loser

Again JIM what Harry Reid did was for judges appoints not legislation and Trump has used that change...
But once again you see them as the same

It's not unconstitutional. It's not illegal. The new conservatives rational when their party behaves unethical or TRUMP

What Harry Reid did was invoke the so-called nuclear option. Period. The idea that it can only be used for judges, is ridiculous.

Oh, this is only for judges guys. You can't use it for anything else. Really?? Well how did you get to use it for judges? How was that supposedly "appropriate" if the nuclear option for judges changed the Senate rules?

It's an option, or a precedent, which has changed the rules, not a special occasion for the benefit of Harry Reid and his party that must never be used by any other person or party because . . . because Harry and the Democrats are special. Don't you see? This must only be used for judges because Harry said so.

Nah. That's BS.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

What Harry Reid did was invoke the so-called nuclear option. Period. The idea that it can only be used for judges, is ridiculous.

Oh, this is only for judges guys. You can't use it for anything else. Really?? Well how did you get to use it for judges? How was that supposedly "appropriate" if the nuclear option for judges changed the Senate rules?

It's an option, or a precedent, which has changed the rules, not a special occasion for the benefit of Harry Reid and his party that must never be used by any other person or party because . . . because Harry and the Democrats are special. Don't you see? This must only be used for judges because Harry said so.

Nah. That's BS.

No the only Bs is you don't have an issue with the POTUS attempting a power grab in the dark of night because he couldn't get it done any other way

Why wait till now to use that nuke when you had 2 years to use it .?? I'd love to hear your answer to that

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by wdmso

No the only Bs is you don't have an issue with the POTUS attempting a power grab in the dark of night because he couldn't get it done any other way

Why wait till now to use that nuke when you had 2 years to use it .?? I'd love to hear your answer to that

This is a familiar scenario that the public got used to in the previous administrations.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

No the only Bs is you don't have an issue with the POTUS attempting a power grab in the dark of night because he couldn't get it done any other way

Harry Reid did it because he couldn't get it done any other way. That's the point of the nuclear option. That's why it exists.

Why wait till now to use that nuke when you had 2 years to use it .?? I'd love to hear your answer to that

Trump does not have the power to use the nuclear option. He is not a senator. He can ask his party affiliated senators, who supposedly support the building of the wall to use it. Or else they're just a bunch of the usual political liars, like the Democrats who used to say they wanted a border fence of some kind but now they say that it is immoral.

The nuclear option genie has been let out of the bottle. It may well become the norm--become "appropriate." That was probably the intention of those who wrote the Constitution.

Trump may have waited till now because he was probably too naïve in thinking that politicians are like business dealers who do what is best for their businesses. So he tried to negotiate, cajole, media shame them, convince them that it was best for the country. Finding that political concerns are more important to politicians, and that there is one slim moment to get the job done, now was the time to go nuclear. Or maybe he's just a sexist, racist, corrupt, anti-American, self promoting, narcist, colluding traitor who thinks the wall will satisfy all his inner psychopathy, and, like Nero, watches the country burn while he plays the game of power that he ultimately always wanted.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

No the only Bs is you don't have an issue with the POTUS attempting a power grab in the dark of night because he couldn't get it done any other way

Why wait till now to use that nuke when you had 2 years to use it .?? I'd love to hear your answer to that

a lot of conservatives are upset trump waited this long. But the fact is, your side used the nuclear option when it suited them, and now the other side controls the senate. if you don’t like the use of the nuclear option, cry to Harry Reid.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

a lot of conservatives are upset trump waited this long. But the fact is, your side used the nuclear option when it suited them, and now the other side controls the senate. if you don’t like the use of the nuclear option, cry to Harry Reid.
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Jim you can try to spin it anyway you want ...

1st he was willing to sign the bill w\out the wall funding his base flips and then he flips

2nd spineless ryan sends something to the senate he knows won't pass but has what Trump wants in it

3rd trump knows he is losing and will never see anything from the house again Try's to influence the senate to change the rules ... not for the country but for his self image

Face it you have said it before you dont care what he does if you get what you want ... seems this just follows that thinking

Again not even close to what happened in 2013 but once again you love to act as if they are the same



April 2017, Senate Republicans led by Mitch McConnell extended the nuclear option to Supreme Court nominations in order to end debate on the nomination of Neil Gorsuch

As of November 2018, a three-fifths majority vote is still required to end debates on legislation.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

a lot of conservatives are upset trump waited this long. But the fact is, your side used the nuclear option when it suited them, and now the other side controls the senate. if you don’t like the use of the nuclear option, cry to Harry Reid.
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whats alot?? do the outnumber those conservatives who are against it?

several Senators put out statements confirming their opposition, and confirming that there is not a majority in the conference to go down that road,”

shocking