China tariffs - did we win?

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

year one also benefited from the regulations that were eliminated, and from the confidence that wall street had a real ally. obamas
momentum was part of it, but trump helped it. let’s be honest and fair.
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if you have less $$ now then you had in january 2017, you’re doing something wrong and that’s not his fault.

The gains I made in 2017 are gone due to what has happened in the market in 2018 and I don't monkey with what Fidelity is doing with my accounts; I don't have that kind of market knowledge to trust myself with trading. Going back to a balance I had when he took office is all the proof I need to give him a failing mark thus far, you can judge him however you like.

Two years in and he has had one legislation passed and that tax cut profited the rich for the most part; yeah short terms for some but stay tuned.

Not sure the environment is going to keep winning with some of the moves he's made that impact it, so I'm giving him a failing mark there as well.

I'd agree China needed to be addressed, but I'm not sure the all out trade war is the best approach, I'm holding out on my judgement on that one.

I have to give him a good mark for getting NK to the table, but it doesn't appear to have gone anywhere from there.

Jobs, sure he's helped, but again when you have a economy (large ocean going box ship) going in one direction, it goes that way for a long, long time. Economy changes aren't done on a dime, they evolve over years.

Immigration, well that's his campaigning platform and he is still looking for his wall. Not arguing that our borders needed to be tighter, but the way he goes about it is wrong, or you wouldn't keep getting judges ruling against him. He fails IMHO, as this needed to be a partisan approach from the beginning, otherwise nothing substantial will come of it.

Hard to put forth good legislation and changes that are positive for everyone, when you can barely keep the "good" people today long enough; he gets an F for civility and good judgement on hires and fires. Look at the comments made recently about Rex, dumb as a rock and lazy, he turned from smart and sharp to dumb as a rock in a year really. An F isn't a low enough grade to give him on civility and respect for his peers.

Have you been reading or getting the filings released and not just the spin Fox News is putting on them? I don't think it's looking too good for the Trump family when all is reveled. I love it that Fox and Trump are echo's of one another, claiming it proves no collusion is so laughable. Even some that wasn't redacted seems to indicate a coordinated effort by all in the campaign staff to get their stories straight on dealings with the Russians and now the Trump family business ventures in Russia are part of the equation. I'd bet my life on him not running in 2020 and I'm not sure he will even reach that far before the other shoe drops.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

The gains I made in 2017 are gone due to what has happened in the market in 2018 and I don't monkey with what Fidelity is doing with my accounts; I don't have that kind of market knowledge to trust myself with trading. Going back to a balance I had when he took office is all the proof I need to give him a failing mark thus far, you can judge him however you like.

Two years in and he has had one legislation passed and that tax cut profited the rich for the most part; yeah short terms for some but stay tuned.

Not sure the environment is going to keep winning with some of the moves he's made that impact it, so I'm giving him a failing mark there as well.

I'd agree China needed to be addressed, but I'm not sure the all out trade war is the best approach, I'm holding out on my judgement on that one.

I have to give him a good mark for getting NK to the table, but it doesn't appear to have gone anywhere from there.

Jobs, sure he's helped, but again when you have a economy (large ocean going box ship) going in one direction, it goes that way for a long, long time. Economy changes aren't done on a dime, they evolve over years.

Immigration, well that's his campaigning platform and he is still looking for his wall. Not arguing that our borders needed to be tighter, but the way he goes about it is wrong, or you wouldn't keep getting judges ruling against him. He fails IMHO, as this needed to be a partisan approach from the beginning, otherwise nothing substantial will come of it.

Hard to put forth good legislation and changes that are positive for everyone, when you can barely keep the "good" people today long enough; he gets an F for civility and good judgement on hires and fires. Look at the comments made recently about Rex, dumb as a rock and lazy, he turned from smart and sharp to dumb as a rock in a year really. An F isn't a low enough grade to give him on civility and respect for his peers.

Have you been reading or getting the filings released and not just the spin Fox News is putting on them? I don't think it's looking too good for the Trump family when all is reveled. I love it that Fox and Trump are echo's of one another, claiming it proves no collusion is so laughable. Even some that wasn't redacted seems to indicate a coordinated effort by all in the campaign staff to get their stories straight on dealings with the Russians and now the Trump family business ventures in Russia are part of the equation. I'd bet my life on him not running in 2020 and I'm not sure he will even reach that far before the other shoe drops.

The market is up meaningfully since January 2017. I’m not a financial advisor, but if you’re ok with lagging the market by double digits, that’s your issue, not Trumps fault. The indices are up since he took office. Gdp is up meaningfully, and unemployment is down meaningfully. trump clearly inherited favorable tailwinds from obama. He is also clearly making his own positive impact. i don’t know what you’re invested in, but the broad statistics are all better now than when he took office. Do you dispute that?

i think you’re being extremely fair in China, it may end well, but americans are hurting now because if it. maybe a more finessed approach would
have been wise. We’ll see. but you were fair.

on jobs, i agree it doesn’t change on a dime. but most people admit he has been a positive influence. most say we’re overdue for a recession, maybe he deserves some credit for extending the good run.

on immigration, i’m no lawyer but we need major changes, and it means nothing to me if the 9th circuit blocks him, those idiots are constantly overturned, they don’t care about the law, they care about liberal advocacy. But he’s not winning on immigration, i agree.

I also give him a F on civility, not in hires. i love Mattis, and i love love love the supreme court picks.

on the special investigator, filings, etc, all i saw was that alan dershowitz, a lefty if there ever was one, said he saw no crimes in what trump did. if trump is guilty, i want him impeached as much as Spence and Pete.

to me, the economy and the supreme court picks and killing terrorists, are what matter. putting kavanaugh in the SCOTUS, and all the appointments he’ll make in the next two years, it doesn’t even matter as much to me
if liberals sweep in 2020 ( and they might), they can’t go nearkybas far with these judges. he’s put in limits for far we can go in ignoring the constitution. to me, that’s his legacy, and it’s awesome.

it would
be nice if he had better bedside manner. but i care more about results.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

it would
be nice if he had better bedside manner. but i care more about results.
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and in that last statement ... is exactly wrong with the New Trump GOP and conservatives in general

A moral compass that only works when it's convenient..

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

and in that last statement ... is exactly wrong with the New Trump GOP and conservatives in general

A moral compass that only works when it's convenient..

get over yourself. why is bill clinton ( impeached and disbarred) so popular with democrats? because he’s such a swell guy?

sorry, the party worships at the feet of the clintons doesn’t get to lecture me about prioritizing virtue. can’t have it both ways. i votes for clinton, and
i claim he was a good potus. scumbag of a
man but a good president. i say the same about trump. go ahead tell me why the dems can worship clinton and say they care about morals.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

get over yourself. why is bill clinton ( impeached and disbarred) so popular with democrats? because he’s such a swell guy?

sorry, the party worships at the feet of the clintons doesn’t get to lecture me about prioritizing virtue. can’t have it both ways. i votes for clinton, and
i claim he was a good potus. scumbag of a
man but a good president. i say the same about trump. go ahead tell me why the dems can worship clinton and say they care about morals.
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You miss the point again Clinton was held responsible for his actions (lying) Trumps and GOP supporters have no intentions of holding Trump accountable
As you said as long as you like the results .... and of couse you see trump's behavior and Clinton behavior as some how equal .?.. not sure how . But your good at it

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

You miss the point again Clinton was held responsible for his actions (lying) Trumps and GOP supporters have no intentions of holding Trump accountable

just sayin'....I suspect if you come up with an impeachable charge...you will have some republicans happy to vote to impeach...we'll see

Five Democrat House members (Virgil Goode of Virginia, Ralph Hall of Texas, Paul McHale of Pennsylvania, Charles Stenholm of Texas and Gene Taylor of Mississippi) voted in favor of three of the four articles of impeachment, but only Taylor voted for the abuse of power charge.

A two-thirds vote (67 senators) was required to remove Clinton from office. 50 senators voted to remove Clinton on the obstruction of justice charge and 45 voted to remove him on the perjury charge; no member of his own Democratic Party voted guilty on either charge.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

no member of his own Democratic Party voted guilty on either charge.

WDMSO, what say you to that?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

You miss the point again Clinton was held responsible for his actions (lying) Trumps and GOP supporters have no intentions of holding Trump accountable
As you said as long as you like the results .... and of couse you see trump's behavior and Clinton behavior as some how equal .?.. not sure how . But your good at it

no no, you missed
your own point. your post didn’t say trump should be held accountable ( which i agree with). you were criticizing people who defend trump. but your side still worships clinton. if it’s ok for your sidento overlook moral lapses, why is it wrong for my side to do so?

I said i care more about results style, and you said “that’s whats wrong with the new GOP.”. that not nearly the same thing as saying “Trump should be held accountable for his actions.”
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

no no, you missed
your own point. your post didn’t say trump should be held accountable ( which i agree with). you were criticizing people who defend trump. but your side still worships clinton. if it’s ok for your sidento overlook moral lapses, why is it wrong for my side to do so?
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Again you think Clinton supporters worship Clinton ??

Trump supporters Worship Trump ... (watch a rally ) once Again attempting to claim they are the same

I know Getting a blow job is horrible and lying about it is worse

but playing with the russians their no harm in that or paying of a porn star before an election or just lying daily is just being a politician for Trump..