Ukraine

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trumps tweet on the invasion of Ukraine two+ years ago

Aug 1, 2016 07:50:32 AM When I said in an interview that Putin is "not going into Ukraine, you can mark it down," I am saying if I am President. Already in Crimea! [Twitter for Android]

What will you do now, Don?

I think he is finding out that tweeting is easier than governing.

I think you're right. Tweeting is easier. I do hope that Trump doesn't think that the Ukraine crisis is totally up to him to do something. I have considered it before to be a European matter, and if Europe gets it's chit together, which it may not be capable of doing, it should be able solve the problem. We can be part of that. But a strong united Europe, even without our help, would be enough to direct the dispute into a peaceful resolution. I suspect that Europe is too self-interested to really care about the Ukraine if it meant it had to expend much blood and treasure, and would rather that the U.S. would shoulder the burden.

Putin counts on European weakness and lack of will. So that throws the problem in our lap. Which is wrong. If Europe wants Trump's help, it will have to be nicer to him. And more willing to put up a fight.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I think you're right. Tweeting is easier. I do hope that Trump doesn't think that the Ukraine crisis is totally up to him to do something. I have considered it before to be a European matter, and if Europe gets it's chit together, which it may not be capable of doing, it should be able solve the problem. We can be part of that. But a strong united Europe, even without our help, would be enough to direct the dispute into a peaceful resolution. I suspect that Europe is too self-interested to really care about the Ukraine if it meant it had to expend much blood and treasure, and would rather that the U.S. would shoulder the burden.

Putin counts on European weakness and lack of will. So that throws the problem in our lap. Which is wrong. If Europe wants Trump's help, it will have to be nicer to him. And more willing to put up a fight.

Agree. Trump doesn’t know UA and probably had to shown on a map where UA and Crimea actually are.

UA is not part of NATO, the Baltic’s are though .
That is where we are obligated to get involved. UA we support, even with MIL/TECH transfer, especially if RUS tries to grab more. But this is a European problem and Europe needs to lead.

I really do have a hard time swallowing Trump’s passiveness on Putin. Hope we find out soon
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Agree. Trump doesn’t know UA and probably had to shown on a map where UA and Crimea actually are.

UA is not part of NATO, the Baltic’s are though .
That is where we are obligated to get involved. UA we support, even with MIL/TECH transfer, especially if RUS tries to grab more. But this is a European problem and Europe needs to lead.

I really do have a hard time swallowing Trump’s passiveness on Putin. Hope we find out soon
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I doubt that Trump is creating his own policy re Russia. I believe he is depending on the advisers he has picked to craft a stance and response. Although, he may blurt out a tweet or Presser response that his opponents can twist to show what a lying dummy he is. I agree he should shut up more. But that likely won't change.

The dreadful thing about Putin's maneuvering is, in my opinion, crafted in respect to how he views the European and American public's desire to avoid war. As well, the pacifist views of European and American leaders.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I really do have a hard time swallowing Trump’s passiveness on Putin. Hope we find out soon
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If you’d like to speed up that process I can give you couple of pretty obvous hints.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

If you’d like to speed up that process I can give you couple of pretty obvous hints.
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We need something more concrete than hints. We need proof of:

Collusion to the level to subvert the US (not likely)

Actively acting as an agent of a foreign power to subvert the USA (not likely and as stupid as Obama as a Manchurian Candidate)

Acting passively due to actual leverage by a foreign power (possible: Money Laundering for RUS Oligarchs thru Deutsche Bank?)

Breaking the law at a serious level (Clinton level or better ) possible

No amount of Muggle Resist Wishcasting should have any bearing