Trumps WW1 memorial Trip

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

There have been so many lies and probably a easily a hundred fold mistruths, that it's hard to tell them apart any longer. I'm sure if you google how many outright lies or mistruths Trump has made since he took office the count is considerably higher than the huge number that was reported after his first year in office. How many this week, I loose track, from claiming he talked to the head of state in Finland about cleaning the forests to beating up on a highly decorated serviceman over his supposed support of Hilary.

Just think for a minute how the media's reporting of him would change had he not made all those statements which proved false or if he didn't use his twitter account to show us how civil he can be towards those he sees as his enemy. He keeps throwing dozens of live bunker into a pool filled with bluefish and he wonders why there is a constant feeding frenzy; come on you present yourself as an intelligent man and yet you don't see this?

No, I see a lot of other things that you don't mention, and I don't see what are supposed to be hundreds of lies. I think I see some lies as well as a lot of truths and a host of gibberish. Perhaps I'm not intelligent.

I do care about other things that he's done that Hillary wouldn't have done. I am concerned with the constant and rapid Democrat shift toward socialism and hope that the Republican shift to the left can more easily be diminished than the Democrat shift can.

And I mostly care about preserving as much of what's left of our original constitutional form of government. Hope as well that the shift can actually be reversed. For me, Trump and the wobbly Republicans were by far the better choice. Trump's supposed lies seem rather innocuous in light of what was about to happen with a Hillary and the Democrats takeover of the federal government, especially to the Supreme Court.

If the Republican party can wither into a constitutional leaning Libertarian party to face off against the Dems, that would make me happy. For a while at least. In the meantime, I'll stick with the weak kneed and shifty Repubs.

I think the fishing parallel might get the point across better, after all it is a fishing website.

Side bar for all those claiming (Yeah I'm talking about you Donald and a few on this board) the stock market is the best it's ever been, if he had his wealth in stocks he'd be taking a worse beating than I am lately. I can't imagine what some are loosing, I'm at only a risk level of 3 on a 1-10 scale and my retirement is down 7% from a year ago.

The stock market has evolved into something separate from our actual market place. It seems to have become a market of its own. I have no trust in it. And when stocks began to skyrocket in value while the economy was stagnant or propped up by phony growth, even my lack of knowledge was telling me that stocks were becoming way over-priced, depending on nothing but Fed pumping and would eventually "correct" to some sane level. I suspect either that the level will be much lower than it is now, or the economy will have to be inflated to justify present stock values.

But that's just an ignorant guess. As I said above, I may not be intelligent.

[scottw]

Bush wasn't a "liar" or a white nationalist but "BUSH=Hitler and "BUSH Lied People Died" was a pretty common theme for the left and media narrative through the Bush years...

so no.....

Trump could be Jesus and the left and media would still portray him as a racist, misogynist, homophobic Nazi...because that's their narrative and they stick to it as demonstrated here daily

I recall the media and left telling us during the Clinton years that lying was OK, part of the human condition and almost essential for our survival....this was all backed up by academic studies...you know..."SCIENCE"...so I really don't know what the left is all worked up about with Trump

[wdmso]

Ivanka Trump used personal email for White House business

are we going to hear daddy start yelling lock her up?

So many Trump apologist here ... Sorry for using The term apologist kinda of like the term snowflake used by the Right .. All but forgotten when where and why they used it..


A Trump administration official told CBS News that Ms Trump's emails did not contain classified information, and what had occurred was basically a lack of understanding of the rules.

we have been told this before .... it needs to be investigated

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Ivanka Trump used personal email for White House business


A Trump administration official told CBS News that Ms Trump's emails did not contain classified information, and what had occurred was basically a lack of understanding of the rules.

yeah I'd give Ivanka a pass....she's only been in Washington for what ...2 years...?

hell...

Hillary was co-President for 8 years...a Senator, candidate for President...twice...and Secretary of State and we were constantly told that she was the "smartest woman in the world" and she couldn't figure it out...

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

and I don't see what are supposed to be hundreds of lies

You don't see the hundreds of lies or mistruths really, that just cracks me up, the Post recently had the number up over 3000, the New York Times had it well over 1000 just ahead of year one; but I know your going to just give us the party line it's all fake news. Or as you describe it, he's just "wrong", well I'm not all that comfortable supporting a president that is that wrong so many times. I'd have to count my fingers after shaking that man's hand.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

You don't see the hundreds of lies or mistruths really, that just cracks me up, the Post recently had the number up over 3000, the New York Times had it well over 1000 just ahead of year one; but I know your going to just give us the party line it's all fake news. Or as you describe it, he's just "wrong", well I'm not all that comfortable supporting a president that is that wrong so many times. I'd have to count my fingers after shaking that man's hand.

I think it’s well over 7000 now.

His lying is problematic but what’s worse is his lack of concern for the truth. Trump just makes stuff up and doesn’t care like he’s holding court.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

I think it’s well over 7000 now.


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leads the league!!...WINNING!

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

the Post recently had the number up over 3000, the New York Times had it well over 1000 just ahead of year one; .

it's amusing that the fake newsies are keeping track

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

You don't see the hundreds of lies or mistruths really, that just cracks me up, the Post recently had the number up over 3000, the New York Times had it well over 1000 just ahead of year one; but I know your going to just give us the party line it's all fake news. Or as you describe it, he's just "wrong", well I'm not all that comfortable supporting a president that is that wrong so many times. I'd have to count my fingers after shaking that man's hand.

Do you have a count on how many times the NYT has lied or been wrong? How about yourself, how many times have you been wrong?
If Trump was wrong 100 times about policies, that would concern me.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Do you have a count on how many times the NYT has lied or been wrong? How about yourself, how many times have you been wrong?
If Trump was wrong 100 times about policies, that would concern me.

Not sure the jury is in yet on the success or failures of his policy decisions, those typically don't show either way for years. I'm sure you have already called them successes and while I'm in favor of some, many I see as bad long term decisions.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

If Trump was wrong 100 times about policies, that would concern me.

That shouldn’t be hard to tally up.
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

The stock market has evolved into something separate from our actual market place. It seems to have become a market of its own. I have no trust in it. And when stocks began to skyrocket in value while the economy was stagnant or propped up by phony growth, even my lack of knowledge was telling me that stocks were becoming way over-priced, depending on nothing but Fed pumping and would eventually "correct" to some sane level. I suspect either that the level will be much lower than it is now, or the economy will have to be inflated to justify present stock values.

But that's just an ignorant guess. As I said above, I may not be intelligent.

What is irritating to me is that Trump inherited a growing and pretty healthy economy, but with every bump in the stock market, he never once missed an opportunity if a mic was in front of him to take credit for the stock market rise. Now that it's lost over a year's worth of gains, now I'm down 8% after yesterday's continued down-slide, he isn't mentioning the stock market at all. He loves taking credit for what he hasn't controlled and he shuts his mouth (tough for him to do remember that) when it isn't going so good.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

What is irritating to me is that Trump inherited a growing and pretty healthy economy, but with every bump in the stock market, he never once missed an opportunity if a mic was in front of him to take credit for the stock market rise. Now that it's lost over a year's worth of gains, now I'm down 8% after yesterday's continued down-slide, he isn't mentioning the stock market at all. He loves taking credit for what he hasn't controlled and he shuts his mouth (tough for him to do remember that) when it isn't going so good.

It's not clear at all that the economy he inherited was growing or even healthy. I forget which thread I posted a video by an economist who explained charts of various economic indicators which showed the Obama economy was fairly stagnant after a slow improvement of the economy he inherited. And rather than growing, the indicators predicted a downward trend. And that there was a dramatic spike upward after Trump that could not be explained by trends that were developing before he came to office.

I'm no student of economics and am uncomfortable getting into its weeds. I don't know what a President can do to seriously affect the economy except via taxes and regulations. Whether anything Trump has done has helped the economy or not, it has steadily improved in dramatic ways after the tax and regulation cuts, rather than the few intermittent spikes which didn't last under Obama.

But anything can happen to crash the economy again. Presidents are in peril of being blamed for poor economies, not just praised for good ones.

The stock market, in my uneducated opinion, is even less under the thumb of the President. So, yes, Trump is foolish, if not stupid, to have taken credit for the high stock prices. And when they keep dropping he'll have serious egg on his face. And many think that a larger correction is due.