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11-16-2018, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
How do know your a conservative snowflake
When you call me one. I don't care to use that word, or words like #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&, Democrap, Trumpets, etc. But if it soothes your anger to do so, or you're just trying to be funny, go for it.
1st example.. when think others exaggerated picture created by those who do want to bury him. must even exaggerate them and conjure up more that don't actually exist.
Translation Trump is a Victim !! seeing or hearing what he's done or said actually exist. unless your a Trump supporter then they don't actually exist.
I have not claimed that Trump is a victim. I have rebutted things said about him. Your translation is not correct. But that is not unusual for you. Not everything you say about Trump is true. I don't rebut what is true. I try to refute that which I think is not true or is exaggerated or misleading.
For example, in a thread I started yesterday, the first response was that Trump is a misogynist. I made a general rebuttal. Then Pete F., who has said several times that Trump is a misogynist, posted an article that actually and convincingly contradicted that notion. As well, it repudiated other negative things about Trump that are reiterated on this forum and in the MSM.
So, yes, I do believe that many things said about Trump are not true, or are misleading or exaggerated. Whether the misrepresentation is intentional or not may depend on the opinion of whatever type of "snowflake" you are.
2nd double down and blame others for endless vitriolic rhetoric and contempt
I don't "blame" you for your endless vitriolic rhetoric and contempt. I just point it out. You know . . . that laser pointer bit you like.
those who wish to bury him see it that way. And they do spew their endless vitriolic rhetoric and contempt for him as they sit in their self-righteous office of presidential critic where they see nothing about him that is sincerely good.
Translation Trump is a Victim but he is really a nice guy ? Who's responsible for Trumps image ... Trump is but just another example of wanting it both ways
Again, your false victim meme. And how do you translate that I said Trump is a "really nice guy"? At best, that's merely a ridiculous exaggeration. Or, if we use your standard for calling some things Trump said lies, then what you said here could be considered a lie.
And I don't know what your "wanting it both ways" thing is about. I don't dare "translate" it.
like this Thread is it an invading army or is it a caravan of people escaping hardships ... it's clearly not equally both ...
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A caravan of thousands of people intending to illegally cross a border can absolutely be considered an invasion. Invasions are not just done by armies. You can invade someone's privacy. You can invade my space. And it can be an invasion even if it is done by those fleeing hardships. The two things can clearly be "equally both."
And if your claiming that they are escaping hardships, that is not enough to justify asylum.
And in the two videos that I posted of reporters who actually mingled with the caravanners, they found that it was not mostly women and children, but estimated to be about 5% women and children and about 95% men. And that photo-ops were selected by having mostly women and children pose, giving the appearance that that's what constituted the caravan. But, of course, those reporters were just lying. Of course. |
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11-17-2018, 08:22 AM
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FYI
current us troops in Afghanistan
US: 14,000
on the border
The deployment, known as Operation Faithful Patriot, will swell the number of military personnel on the border to 7,300 — adding to the 2,100 National Guardsmen who joined thousands of Border agents in April.
Once stationed, the 7,200 troops at the border will equal the number in Iraq and Syria combined.
400 migrants of the Central American migrant caravan arrived in Tijuana Nov. 13, 2018.
and guess how many showed up to confront this invasion
12 border agents several ATVs a few trucks and 1 helicopter  |
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11-17-2018, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
FYI
current us troops in Afghanistan
US: 14,000
on the border
The deployment, known as Operation Faithful Patriot, will swell the number of military personnel on the border to 7,300 — adding to the 2,100 National Guardsmen who joined thousands of Border agents in April.
Once stationed, the 7,200 troops at the border will equal the number in Iraq and Syria combined.
400 migrants of the Central American migrant caravan arrived in Tijuana Nov. 13, 2018.
and guess how many showed up to confront this invasion
12 border agents several ATVs a few trucks and 1 helicopter |
Arrived on Nov. 13? Weren't we told that it was several weeks before they'd get here? Fake news?
Glad to see we're as serious about protecting our borders at least as we are about protecting other countries. |
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11-17-2018, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
Arrived on Nov. 13? Weren't we told that it was several weeks before they'd get here? Fake news?
Glad to see we're as serious about protecting our borders at least as we are about protecting other countries.
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The number that’s arriving was also supposed to be thousands strong wasn’t it? Fake news?
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The artist formerly known as Scratch59.
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11-17-2018, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Ian
The number that’s arriving was also supposed to be thousands strong wasn’t it? Fake news?
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Were told that there's thousands more still on the way. But they're not all in one batch. It would be good if this first batch found it difficult to get what they want. That might discourage more.
But if this is going to be a continuous problem, would it not be better if we do the stitch in time thing and seriously stop it now rather than always play politics and keep it going? |
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11-17-2018, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
Were told that there's thousands more still on the way. But they're not all in one batch. It would be good if this first batch found it difficult to get what they want. That might discourage more.
But if this is going to be a continuous problem, would it not be better if we do the stitch in time thing and seriously stop it now rather than always play politics and keep it going?
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Look, I’m no bigger a fan of illegal immigration than the next person, but asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants, they’re using a legal process to seek asylum in this country.
Until we say we’re not going to allow that process to continue as written, then I don’t see a problem with a caravan of people marching across Montreal never mind all of Central America to follow that process and escape whatever they’re trying to escape.
The fact that people can abuse the asylum process is a legal issue, not an illegal one.
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11-17-2018, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Ian
The fact that people can abuse the asylum process is a legal issue, not an illegal one.
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huh??? |
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11-17-2018, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Ian
Look, I’m no bigger a fan of illegal immigration than the next person, but asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants, they’re using a legal process to seek asylum in this country.
Until we say we’re not going to allow that process to continue as written, then I don’t see a problem with a caravan of people marching across Montreal never mind all of Central America to follow that process and escape whatever they’re trying to escape.
The fact that people can abuse the asylum process is a legal issue, not an illegal one.
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First, the legal process does not give the seekers the option to choose which country they wish to go. The legal process requires asylum seekers to apply for it in the first country whose border they cross. That would be Mexico. It would be up to Mexico if they qualify for asylum.
Second, seeking better economic conditions is not a legal requisite for asylum.
Most of the immigrants that have been interviewed while traveling in the caravan say they’re doing it to make a better life. But they have been coached on what to say when they get to the border. So they will not say what they’ve candidly admitted to interviewers while traveling. If they are properly and effectively vetted, and they should have documents proving who they are and from whence they came, it can be decided at that point if they qualify. In most instances, they probably won’t have proper documentation with them.
And they must present themselves at a proper port of entry. The notion that they can come in mass numbers and bull rush the border, and claim asylum if and when they're caught, is not part of the legal process.
In any case, they are already outside of the legal framework. So they are not following the legal process as written. We are not legally required to accept them. We can do so, but if we do accept a significant number of them, we just encourage the continuation of large numbers of them coming here for a better life at our expense, and illegally
Last edited by detbuch; 11-17-2018 at 08:06 PM..
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