Washington Post says Trump is 'complicit' in Hurricane Florence

[RIROCKHOUND]

I'm leaving at this Jim. Too busy to engage in pointless arguments on the internet.
1. The global cooling argument from the 70's is way over played (see this link for more on that) https://www.skepticalscience.com/What-1970s-science-said-about-global-cooling.html

2. Spence had a good take on this above. Models are not wildly speculative assumptions. This video offers a good explanation on how models are made using historic data and carried into the future. The take away is that the exact prediction of any model is not important, but the overall consensus of these various independent models on increasing levels of CO2 are warming the atmosphere, and in the case of this video, reducing the sea ice cover in the arctic

The geological record provides solid evidence of the implications of warmer worlds, times with higher CO2 and higher sea level than present. Let’s take Sea level rise since we are in the coastal area of New England.

Sea level is rising. Period. Observations and data (NOT MODELS) show it has accelerated within the last few decades and that that is driven by thermal expansion and melting of land based ice related to a warming planet.

Even if you want to conclude that sea level rise is not accelerating, it is rising, and that means that for every area prone to flooding from storms (and sea level rise), that it is not going to get better. How many coastal communities have installed tide gates on storm drains in recent years because low areas are now flooding just on spring tides w/o storm surge? That is largely due to ~1 ft of sea level rise. Now picture 3 -5 feet. The extreme scenarios in S. New England are >10ft.
The degree of how much worse it gets is up for debate. Prudent planning for the next decades to deal with this, rather than sticking fingers in our ears and yelling is short sighted and will make adaptation harder in the future. That isn’t even adding in the increased height of storm surge or potential for more intense or more frequent storms.

Scott, I like you, but F--- off unless you are going to actually contribute to these discussions.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Scott, I like you, but F--- off unless you are going to actually contribute to these discussions.

cranky dictator

[scottw]

when you want government to do everything....you allow and encourage everything to be politicized ..and weaponized...which is where we stand today....the left has wrapped themselves in the cloak of invincibility of many things...science, race, environment, immigration and on and on...standing on their pedestals they have politicized and every issue and weaponized one government agency (particularly through the 8 years of Obama) after another to attack anyone who might disagree with them...when you politicize and weaponize everything you create division and choosing of sides and mistrust.....the left has overblown through lies, distortion and exaggeration the information and "science" often with the aid of the "scientific community"....the left in so many ways today has created many of the boogiemen that they battle on a daily basis...I don't have much sympathy

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Trump is no more complicit in Florence than I am, but the moves he is making and his denial that climate change is happening, will not lessen the impact. Unless you just never ever watch national geographic or any of the outstanding documentaries that have air and documented what is happening, then keep believing climate change is a hoax. It won't impact you, it might not impact your children, but there will be significant implications down the road if the ice packs and glaciers continue to melt. Where do you think all the fing water is going?

Trump is complicit in the poor effort in the after math of Hugo in Puerto Rico, oh wait I'm sorry it was outstanding A+ job, he will likely do better in the Carolina's because they aren't some dirt bag island he doesn't give a sh*t about.

Did you know Trump is at fault for those millions of water bottles at Ciueba? Not sailing Comfort or Mercy (Hillary fixed that)? Not building a bridge before the storm from FL to PR in order to get trucks overnight to PR to repair the state of art Power Grid the US gave PR Many Millions to copy?

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Did you know Trump is at fault for those millions of water bottles at Ciueba? Not sailing Comfort or Mercy (Hillary fixed that)? Not building a bridge before the storm from FL to PR in order to get trucks overnight to PR to repair the state of art Power Grid the US gave PR Many Millions to copy?

I know Trump isn't responsible for a lot of that John come on really, but he owns his big fat mouth and constant denial that the death tolls reported in Puerto Rico are false. Even yesterday instead of taking the high road, a road he almost never travels down, he continued to state the few additional deaths over the initial reports are due to the hurricanes, in fact he spun it as if the Dems were responsible for the reporting to make him look bad. So who do you believe, someone who is living it and responsible for their citizens well being, or a guy who appears to be looking for the Guinness Book of Record for the most lies or miss truths spoken be any living being in a year?

He also owns his administrations policy decisions which will do nothing to curb global warming, in fact he really has no fear of global warming, because as you all know that's fake news. Global warming to him is like the reports that over 3000 died in Puerto Rico, or that his inauguration crowd was smaller than most recent presidents, or that he never knew Cohen paid off a porn star.

He spends is mornings watching Fox and tweeting more lies and hurtful messaging, I had little respect for this guy from the start and I can't wait until he is voted out or kicked to the curb.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

I'm leaving at this Jim. Too busy to engage in pointless arguments on the internet.
1. The global cooling argument from the 70's is way over played (see this link for more on that) https://www.skepticalscience.com/What-1970s-science-said-about-global-cooling.html

2. Spence had a good take on this above. Models are not wildly speculative assumptions. This video offers a good explanation on how models are made using historic data and carried into the future. The take away is that the exact prediction of any model is not important, but the overall consensus of these various independent models on increasing levels of CO2 are warming the atmosphere, and in the case of this video, reducing the sea ice cover in the arctic

The geological record provides solid evidence of the implications of warmer worlds, times with higher CO2 and higher sea level than present. Let’s take Sea level rise since we are in the coastal area of New England.

Sea level is rising. Period. Observations and data (NOT MODELS) show it has accelerated within the last few decades and that that is driven by thermal expansion and melting of land based ice related to a warming planet.

Even if you want to conclude that sea level rise is not accelerating, it is rising, and that means that for every area prone to flooding from storms (and sea level rise), that it is not going to get better. How many coastal communities have installed tide gates on storm drains in recent years because low areas are now flooding just on spring tides w/o storm surge? That is largely due to ~1 ft of sea level rise. Now picture 3 -5 feet. The extreme scenarios in S. New England are >10ft.
The degree of how much worse it gets is up for debate. Prudent planning for the next decades to deal with this, rather than sticking fingers in our ears and yelling is short sighted and will make adaptation harder in the future. That isn’t even adding in the increased height of storm surge or potential for more intense or more frequent storms.

Scott, I like you, but F--- off unless you are going to actually contribute to these discussions.

bryan, i run models all day long, to predict insurance losses. in these models, i have tons of historical data to base my assumptions on. if i’m trying to estimate how many auto accidents we will have in RI for every 100 cars we ensure, i can look at the number of accidents per 100 cars for each of the last 50 years. so the models are highly predictive, because there is a credible amount of historical data.

not so with climate change effects. the models
make wildly speculative assumptions, because it’s all brand new. it’s more complicated, with more moving pieces.

the sea is rising, that’s settled. how much if that is due to man, is wildly speculative, because we can’t know what sea labels would have been if man didn’t exist.

it’s very very important stuff, it needs to be researched. but don’t tell me that there aren’t broad assumptions because of the unknowns.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Scott, I like you, but F--- off unless you are going to actually contribute to these discussions.

I'd note that I'm the only one who provided an example of what he asked for and was told to f--off....

typical democrat no surprise

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by scottw

I'd note that I'm the only one who provided an example of what he asked for and was told to f--off....

typical democrat no surprise

Again, I am not wasting the time wading into this here. We have rehashed the same arguments about models with Jim and I am not engaging. There are older posts about it, and I would just end up saying the same basic stuff.

Yes, you did post an example... You edited that post after just writing 'consensus, yawn' and admittedly, I didn't see it. After I posted, I saw your rant about government and then was off the forum the rest of the day.

You didn't post something to defend Jim's point anyways. A 2018 paper talking about the implications of 2deg C warming, which is a very reasonable outcome this century, is not a case where a projection was wrong.

Have a good day guys. May the continued circle-jerk be profound for you....

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Have a good day guys. May the continued circle-jerk be profound for you....

geez get a grip...it's amusement...if you think you are going to solve the world's problems HERE....you really need some help

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by scottw

geez get a grip...it's amusement...if you think you are going to solve the world's problems HERE....you really need some help

Nothing to do with saving the world... I enjoy the banter, but not enough hours in the day to waste it here with you jamokes :-)
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by scottw

geez get a grip...it's amusement...if you think you are going to solve the world's problems HERE....you really need some help

I know, that’s what Facebook is for
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