Opiods

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by spence

You mean like the time I found zip-loc full of Vicodin in a bathroom drawer???

Or black beauties?

[wdmso]

No one cared about the opioid problem until it started killing Rich white kids on the cape and other communities

How do I know this I worked in a SEC35 state prison detox for 20 years and saw the demographic change coming thru the revolving door ... then came the concern prior to that it was city thing and no one gave a #^&#^&#^&#^&

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

No one cared about the opioid problem until it started killing Rich white kids on the cape and other communities

How do I know this I worked in a SEC35 state prison detox for 20 years and saw the demographic change coming thru the revolving door ... then came the concern prior to that it was city thing and no one gave a #^&#^&#^&#^&

Then, I guess, we should be thankful to rich white kids for bringing attention to the problem. Otherwise the poor non-whites would be stuck in #^&#^&#^&#^&.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

So now that you're interested
I brought this up because there was a painting contractor in Burlington, Vt who was "dealing"
He supplied his employees with drugs.
Sounds bad doesn't it
But think about it, they were showing up for work, gainfully employed, not stealing to get drug money, pretty much being good citizens.
He didn't make them addicts.
What he was doing is illegal, but is it immoral?
Maybe we need to go much further.
https://www.npr.org/sections/paralle...ue-not-a-crime

Nope - that is immoral, too. Particularly if it gets people hooked.

Originally Posted by spence

I think it's more a combination of over prescribing and people generally just zoning out these days. Pills especially aren't hard to get and easy to conceal. Your Dr prescribes them so how bad can it be?

Not an excuse

Originally Posted by spence

Some years ago I went to the walk in for an injured toe that got infected. Also managed to trigger a gout attack. The Dr ignored the gout which was an easy diagnosis and instead prescribed me a giant bottle of hydrocodone for the pain. With hindsight it was really irresponsible on his part.

Well said

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Where are the pills now?
Still sitting in your medicine cabinet?
They should be disposed of

Then the fish and clams get hooked - but they can't get pregnant

Originally Posted by wdmso

No one cared about the opioid problem until it started killing Rich white kids on the cape and other communities

How do I know this I worked in a SEC35 state prison detox for 20 years and saw the demographic change coming thru the revolving door ... then came the concern prior to that it was city thing and no one gave a #^&#^&#^&#^&

Well Heroine and Opioids have been a problem or a couple centuries. In the past few decades none of the kids I saw get hooked on them were rich. They tended to be poor and if alive are often poorer still

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by wdmso

No one cared about the opioid problem until it started killing Rich white kids on the cape and other communities

How do I know this I worked in a SEC35 state prison detox for 20 years and saw the demographic change coming thru the revolving door ... then came the concern prior to that it was city thing and no one gave a #^&#^&#^&#^&

To say no one cared about is racist. If these folks who struggled with dependency were minority’s they certainly have family and friends who cared. To call them nobody’s seems a bit harsh. Sometimes it’s not a black and white issue. Sometimes a republican or democrat is not at fault. Unfortunate circumstances have to be dealt with regardless of who holds office.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Sometimes it’s not a black and white issue. Sometimes a republican or democrat is not at fault.

And just this morning you were joking it was the fault of a black democrat.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

And just this morning you were joking it was the fault of a black democrat.

That was tongue in cheek Jeff, I thought you would appreciate that.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

To say no one cared about is racist. If these folks who struggled with dependency were minority’s they certainly have family and friends who cared. To call them nobody’s seems a bit harsh. Sometimes it’s not a black and white issue. Sometimes a republican or democrat is not at fault. Unfortunate circumstances have to be dealt with regardless of who holds office.
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My no one cared comment wasn't towards friends and family I should have been more clear ... But policy's and Money for treatment could be seen as racist along with the public view saw it as a inner city issue when in-fact minorities account for a tiny % of opioid related users in Massachusetts..the couldn't afford oxies or fund the explosion in usage of the pills... and the leap heroin. Over prescribing is a scape goat 90% of users started by stealing someone else's pills its was what kids were doing popping pills , not knowing the side effects )getting hooked ) then an 80 dollar oxy got quickly replaced by a 5 dollar bag of dope ... basic economics


Political pressure only started when voting districts with money who are mostly white started seeing the effects . and did a full frontal press starting on the topic . 6 years late.... the damage has been done all that can be done now is stop new users from picking up ... we used to never have old junkies . but now Narcan has taken all risk out of using now they feel if it goes bad Narcan will save them who needs AA or NA