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07-26-2018, 09:58 AM
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They the right and Trump supporters refuse to see a pattern of behavior from Trump from this topic to attacking the FBI CIA Attacking The media in general Treating to remove security clearances , no longer releasing phone transcripts .. lying about paying people off Russia calling 25 indictments a which hunt or poor Treatment of immigrants ... and more
And their response is unison like Parrots.. but but but Obama or Clinton or Benghazi or uranium 1 now Twitter shadowing ( all debunked 1000 times over ) zero indictments .....
I have said it before theses issues involving Trump are not made up or OMG he wore a Brown suit or he had his feet on the oval office desk moments ....
These are actual quantifiable actions and policy's and thoughts based on Facts supported by written words ,video , audio .... they cant be wished away by closing your eyes or just them or calling them partisan attacks ..
But what scares me the most is Many people who consider themselves Patriots don't have a problem with any of it ..
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07-26-2018, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
the right and Trump supporters refuse to see a pattern of behavior from Trump from this topic to attacking the FBI CIA Attacking The media in general ..
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Who are you referring to, exactly? Please tell me, who is denying that Trump routinely attacks the media? Not me, not only did I concede that, I said he deserves to be criticized for it.
"issues involving Trump are not made up "
I don't think they are made up either. As I have said, I agree with much of the criticism. I just wish you could also admit when he does good things, because you can't.
"but but but Obama or Clinton "
Here's the thing...if you don't want to get called out for obvious hypocrisy, don't engage in obvious hypocrisy.
I concede that Trump is a low life. You are the one denying reality. You deny he's doing some good things, and you deny that he gets called out for doing things that Obama did without criticism.
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07-26-2018, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
Who are you referring to, exactly? Please tell me, who is denying that Trump routinely attacks the media? Not me, not only did I concede that, I said he deserves to be criticized for it.
"issues involving Trump are not made up "
I don't think they are made up either. As I have said, I agree with much of the criticism. I just wish you could also admit when he does good things, because you can't.
"but but but Obama or Clinton "
Here's the thing...if you don't want to get called out for obvious hypocrisy, don't engage in obvious hypocrisy.
I concede that Trump is a low life. You are the one denying reality. You deny he's doing some good things, and you deny that he gets called out for doing things that Obama did without criticism.
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Jim I will refer to you directly as I hope you would to Me on a comment or issue if i think thats where you stand
I was speaking about a bigger National comments : not just here...
look at some directed at Bret Baier who defended the CNN reporter or some of the other FOX hosts Shepard Smith or Neil Cavuto the comments towards theses people from the Trump Faithful are amazing just look at breitbart or OAN ... their is a huge segment of the right willing to walk down a dangerous road in the name Trump ....
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07-26-2018, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
They the right and Trump supporters refuse to see a pattern of behavior from Trump from this topic to attacking the FBI CIA
The "left" used to see destructive patterns of behavior by the FBI and CIA. But now, when they're showing some outlandish patterns of behavior in order to remove Trump, all is pure and just.
Attacking The media in general
No, just the fake media.
Treating to remove security clearances ,
Those whose behavior does not comport with their agency codes, should have their security clearances revoked.
no longer releasing phone transcripts ..
Big deal. I find it more disturbing that transcripts requested by Congress from aforesaid agencies are being stonewalled, not released, or so heavily redacted that critical information cannot be seen.
lying about paying people off
Yeah, I recall you defending Hillary for covering up her husbands lying and philandering. Yeah, that's a whataboutism. And it's true. People in power, most of them, lie to save face. It was OK for others. Not for Trump. Get over it.
Russia calling 25 indictments a which hunt or poor Treatment of immigrants ...
The indictments were optic BS for public consumption. There was never any chance the Russians could be prosecuted. The first 13 Russians called Mueller's bluff and actually volunteered to go to trial--Mueller let that go, he had nothing. The next twelve, as Mueller knew that he didn't have the power to prosecute or convict them of anything, were again optics--this time to make it appear to the US public that by not showing up they had something to hide that would reflect on Trump. But this time Putin called Mueller's bluff by agreeing to letting the 12 be interrogated if the Russians could interrogate a couple of Americans who they had accused of crimes against Russia.
or poor Treatment of immigrants and more
More BS, as in the photo of "undocumented" children under blankets in a cage--those were photos taken during the Obama administration. The whole issue was a law that pre-existed Trump.
And their response is unison like Parrots.. but but but Obama or Clinton or Benghazi or uranium 1 now Twitter shadowing ( all debunked 1000 times over ) zero indictments .....
Not debunked. Besides, those are whataboutisms, which you don't approve of. What indictments that actually relate to Trump colluding with the Russians?
I have said it before theses issues involving Trump are not made up or OMG he wore a Brown suit or he had his feet on the oval office desk moments ....
These are actual quantifiable actions and policy's and thoughts based on Facts supported by written words ,video , audio .... they cant be wished away by closing your eyes or just them or calling them partisan attacks ..
Actually, they are spin or irrelevant, and can be called partisan attacks.
But what scares me the most is Many people who consider themselves Patriots don't have a problem with any of it ..
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See, it is you that is scared.
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07-26-2018, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
See, it is you that is scared.
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The fake media is the crap the Russians put on the social media pages of the righties, . Nbc, CBS, abc, and affiliates, nyt, Washington Post, etc. aren't fake news, that is propaganda from a wannabe dictator. Scary how many of you are influenced by him.
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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07-26-2018, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by zimmy
The fake media is the crap the Russians put on the social media pages of the righties, . Nbc, CBS, abc, and affiliates, nyt, Washington Post, etc. aren't fake news, that is propaganda from a wannabe dictator. Scary how many of you are influenced by him.
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You didn't mention CNN or MSNBC in your list, but even they aren't "fake news", but they are ideological networks with a very clear bias. As is Foxnews.
Again, I posted an article highlighting some of the many cases where Obama called out Foxnews as distorting the truth to turn voters against him. How is that different from what Trump does with CNN?
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07-26-2018, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
Again, I posted an article highlighting some of the many cases where Obama called out Foxnews as distorting the truth to turn voters against him. How is that different from what Trump does with CNN?
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Because Fox often just makes stuff up, pushes conspiracy theories, intentionally misleads etc...CNN might have some bias in what they decide to cover but they still follow journalistic standards.
Also, Trump's attacks against the media are 10,000X+ anything Obama ever did.
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07-26-2018, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Because Fox often just makes stuff up, pushes conspiracy theories, intentionally misleads etc...CNN might have some bias in what they decide to cover but they still follow journalistic standards.
Also, Trump's attacks against the media are 10,000X+ anything Obama ever did.
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"CNN might have some bias in what they decide to cover "
Might? That's big of you to admit...
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07-26-2018, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
Might? That's big of you to admit...
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Baby Steps
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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07-26-2018, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
You didn't mention CNN or MSNBC in your list, but even they aren't "fake news", but they are ideological networks with a very clear bias.
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They were covered by affiliates and etc. I also don't believe you can't see the difference between what Obama said on (on a handful of occasions) and a repeated effort to demonize and discredit any media that criticizes or is negative of him, to the point of calling journalism the enemy or the people. That it's Stalin, Mao, Putin territory.
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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07-26-2018, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by zimmy
Scary how many of you are influenced by him.
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Fifth ave Republicans.
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