Supreme Court Justice kennedy retires

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by spence

Such non answers
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Your answers add nothing to the discussion.... (I detest this style of debate, as I do the current style of governing by winning at all costs...)

I just assumed that you were aware of the history of this rule of order, brought to the Senate floor by Mr Reid. It allows passage of vote by simple majority of 51, which is an easier target to attain than the normal passage vote needed which was 60.


So end result is, after an eight year reign where a group played with the rules to hold us by the short hairs.... the tide has changed and is being used against those who invoked this option.


Please note, Jeff, that this is NOT a pro-Trump post. Simply an answer to your answers feigning surprise and disdain…..

[spence]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

I just assumed that you were aware of the history of this rule of order, brought to the Senate floor by Mr Reid. It allows passage of vote by simple majority of 51, which is an easier target to attain than the normal passage vote needed which was 60.

Hence my point that the GOP has already used it to push Neil Gorsuch through. There's no can of worms that's been opened, we're far past that. Jim's just so giddy because he thinks Roe is going to be overturned he can't think straight.

[nightfighter]

This is exactly what I find so nauseating. You project the idea of a landmark decision being overturned into a discussion about the procedure of appointment.... and then assign that idea to another, if only to propagate your agenda. It reminds me of debating with conspiracy theorists about NASA, 9/11, Newtown, flat earth, etc....

[spence]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

This is exactly what I find so nauseating. You project the idea of a landmark decision being overturned into a discussion about the procedure of appointment.... and then assign that idea to another, if only to propagate your agenda. It reminds me of debating with conspiracy theorists about NASA, 9/11, Newtown, flat earth, etc....

Because they're all interrelated politically...no conspiracy here.

[DZ]

I don't think there are any "middle of the roader's" in today's environment. There will always be issues with any nominee by both sides. This is bound to be nasty, I watched some clips of Clarence Thomas where he basically said he was "lynched" in the approval process. Trumps lasting legacy whether we like it or not will be the shape of the Supreme Court in years to come.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by DZ

I watched some clips of Clarence Thomas where he basically said he was "lynched" in the approval process.

It is widely viewed that he pulled the race card by saying that when he was questioned on the sexual aspects of his dealings w/Anita Hill.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

It is widely viewed that he pulled the race card by saying that when he was questioned on the sexual aspects of his dealings w/Anita Hill.

It is also widely viewed that the dems played the race card, from the bottom of the deck, by claiming that a black man was not to be trusted around women. That was actually when I became a republican, after I saw what they did to Clarence Thomas.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

It is also widely viewed that the dems played the race card, from the bottom of the deck, by claiming that a black man was not to be trusted around women. That was actually when I became a republican, after I saw what they did to Clarence Thomas.
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Do you have any links to articles stating that? Biden was slammed for his treatment of Anita Hill.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Hence my point that the GOP has already used it to push Neil Gorsuch through. There's no can of worms that's been opened, we're far past that. Jim's just so giddy because he thinks Roe is going to be overturned he can't think straight.

Reid did it in 2013, which last time I checked, was before Gorsuch got confirmed.

I don’t expect roe to get overturned. I do expect a shift away from liberal activism, and damn right that has me giddy. I remember exactly how I felt whan I heard Scalia died, I can’t believe how much better things are than I feared, all because McConnell finally grew a pair and held off obama.
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[JohnR]

Oooohhhhhhh

The Burn

https://twitter.com/senorrinhatch/st...75217584295938

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Reid did it in 2013, which last time I checked, was before Gorsuch got confirmed.

Reid specifically said it wasn't allowed for SCOTUS. The Republicans changed that rule to push Gorsuch through which they likely would have done regardless of what Reid did in 2013.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Reid specifically said it wasn't allowed for SCOTUS. The Republicans changed that rule to push Gorsuch through which they likely would have done regardless of what Reid did in 2013.

Ahh. So since you speculate that they might have done it anyway, that means Reid didn’t open the can of worms.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Ahh. So since you speculate that they might have done it anyway, that means Reid didn’t open the can of worms.
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He opened it for everything else, excluding this.

Better Hope RBG hangs on for 6 more years

(FWIW I want to see a fairly balanced SCOTUS without Kook Left and Kook right)

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

He opened it for everything else, excluding this.

Better Hope RBG hangs on for 6 more years

(FWIW I want to see a fairly balanced SCOTUS without Kook Left and Kook right)

Agreed.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Better Hope RBG hangs on for 6 more years

Buzzy is older than Kennedy