Roy Moore / Al Franken

[Jim in CT]

Wdmso, as recently as the fall of 2016, most liberals wouldn’t dare to criticize the clintons or the kennedys. Yes, the underlying acts were old, but up until last year, even militant liberal feminists like Gloria Allred defended the clintons and the kennedys. Up until last year, liberals very clearly put party politics ahead of women’s rights, so let’s stop acting like the practice ended decades ago. And if Hilary hadn’t lost, there would not be this fervor about outing abusers of women, and that’s fact. It wasn’t until Hilary lost that the DNC and the media decided that sexual harassment was bad. I’m supposed to believe that’s a coincidence?
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

Still don't. I've spent plenty of time there. Down south in general...have a pretty good read on things.

Sometimes you do, sometimes you think you do. But most people down that way that I know, many good people BTW, would take umbrage to when someone responds to something with "Have you ever been to Alabama?"

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The assaults by Clinton and Kennedy took place decades ago, yes. But the willingness of democrat leaders to ignore thisebtransgressions contnued right up until election night of 2016, when the gop elected a reptile and the clintons simultaneously became of zero value. In that second, liberals claimed to care about perversion. If Hilary had won, we would not be having this conversation.

Let’s investigate the claims of trumps accusers. If he did any of it, then we should deal with it, but not until then. I fail to see how that is unfair.
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How do you prove before an election without trial / investigation by proper law enforcement agencies? How do you handle allegations that are personally or politically motivated? Unfortunately these allegations on a politician must be proven but if they are not proven they can still taint an election and if real and not proven then they unfairly burden the victim. Slippery slope, here is highspeedlowdrag graphite for you rails.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Up until last year, liberals very clearly put party politics ahead of women’s rights, so let’s stop acting like the practice ended decades ago.
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How sure are you this has changed: Up until last year? At least by those at the levers of power?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Sometimes you do, sometimes you think you do. But most people down that way that I know, many good people BTW, would take umbrage to when someone responds to something with "Have you ever been to Alabama?"



How do you prove before an election without trial / investigation by proper law enforcement agencies? How do you handle allegations that are personally or politically motivated? Unfortunately these allegations on a politician must be proven but if they are not proven they can still taint an election and if real and not proven then they unfairly burden the victim. Slippery slope, here is highspeedlowdrag graphite for you rails.





How sure are you this has changed: Up until last year? At least by those at the levers of power?

"How do you prove before an election without trial / investigation by proper law enforcement agencies?"
You don't. You can't. You can't prove guilt or innocence, which is why our country can boast the presumption of innocence. I say if all we have is accusations, let the election proceed, no one should be forced to back out. Then if an investigation/trial shows wrongdoing, they have to resign. It's not perfect, but it's a lot better than incentivizing false accusations in every election..

"if they are not proven they can still taint an election and if real and not proven then they unfairly burden the victim. Slippery slope, here is highspeedlowdrag graphite for you rails."

Ugly, ugly business.

"How sure are you this has changed: Up until last year? At least by those at the levers of power"

Now that the GOP elected a possible (likely) pervert as POTIS, and moreso now that the Clintons are suddenly expendable, the liberals and the media can crow about caring.