A Muslim Iman that I actually like and wish the best. . . but

[DZ]

That's my point Spence. If someone finds something offensive they have a right to refuse. Offensive is a "relative" term to each individual.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by DZ

That's my point Spence. If someone finds something offensive they have a right to refuse. Offensive is a "relative" term to each individual.

But if he refuses to make a penis cake for anyone who might enter his shop, he isn't discriminating against anyone. In this case, he is treating one class of customers very differently. If his basis for doing so is bigotry, that's illegal. If his basis for doing so is religion, the constitution protects that. It's sort of a specific kind of discrimination, that we have to tolerate if we pretend that the constitution means anything. If it only applies when everyone agrees, we don't need it.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by DZ

That's my point Spence. If someone finds something offensive they have a right to refuse. Offensive is a "relative" term to each individual.

The point is that he can't refuse to make them something he would make for a straight couple. He did not reject the design, he rejected making a cake for them. If he said, I will make a cake, but I ask for the right to decline certain phrases or designs, this would likely not been heard at the lower level.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

The point is that he can't refuse to make them something he would make for a straight couple. He did not reject the design, he rejected making a cake for them. If he said, I will make a cake, but I ask for the right to decline certain phrases or designs, this would likely not been heard at the lower level.
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"he can't refuse to make them something he would make for a straight couple"

One can make a compelling case, that the first amendment says he can, as long as his refusal to do so, is based on religion. At least 3 SC justices will say he can (probably).

When Obama's EEOC argued that Muslim truck drivers could not be forced to abandon their religion, the EEOC didn't say "unless anyone is offended, in which case they can be forced to abandon their religion."