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[ReelinRod]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Once again, the thought of our president or enough of the upper ecchilon having the support of all the branches of the military is absurd, I’d have better odds of winning mass millions.

In our forefathers days the militia was necessary and would have and was very effective, I just think our country has evolved past the point that will ever be required.

Good for you. My post was not trying to convince you that such a thing is possible or probable today, all I was doing was bringing some factual, historical background to the discussion. The history shows us "the thought" was not an outlier or fringe consideration.

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

I realize that I’m debating this point with the wall, the arguments don’t change. This board is as always a circular discussion, inevitably leading back to were it began.

My "wall" is only the truthful philosophical, legal and historical record that I present to rebut policy ideas that are dismissive or violation of the Constitution. Correct, my arguments don't change and I can understand why you might feel like you beating your head against a wall.

Your choice when up against such a wall is either:
1) present reasoned supported argument that proves me wrong
2) modify your positions / proposals to align with the Constitution
3) throw up your hands and say there's nothing to discuss
4) just come clean and admit you hold the Constitution in disdain and contempt and would support the government ignoring the Constitution and demand government to enact and enforce law that violates the rights of the citizenry.

I am always open to option 1. I beg for it; I throw a large amount of information out there and try my best to present clear and understandable statements. I know liberals vehemently disagree with me but I rarely get reasoned, supported argument back.

I expect option 2 to occur on rare occasions but it never does.

Option 3 is the usual response unless they are so defeated they just abandon the thread.

Option 4 is of course the true and core belief of modern liberals but they don't demonstrate the honesty to admit it. Everyone knows it to be true which is why the citizens who do cherish and respect the Constitution will never give up our guns -- BECAUSE, liberals want that government that would take up arms against us . . . exactly the kind of government that you claim has been evolved out of existence.

Your statement that "government has evolved beyond that" is laughable for it is precisely that kind of government that appears in leftist utopian fantasies of gun rights people being blown to bits.

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Beam me up Scotty, there must be common sense somewhere in the universe!!!!!!

Your passive/aggressive claim of intellectual and cognitive superiority is weak and impotent given the complete lack of supported argument coming from you.

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[wdmso]

1) present reasoned supported argument that proves me wrong

To think your argument is right from the start.. if only the world was as black and white as you seem to think it is.

So as a time machine Conservative what year do want to travel Back to? For your Utopia views on the Constitution in America when every American reads it the same way ?

because that statement below explains much. Is that your example of " your reasoned approach "?..


the citizens who do cherish and respect the Constitution will never give up our guns -- BECAUSE, liberals want that government that would take up arms against us . . . exactly the kind of government that you claim has been evolved out of existence.

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Originally Posted by wdmso

To think your argument is right from the start.. if only the world was as black and white as you seem to think it is.

Remember, this is a religion to some.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

1) present reasoned supported argument that proves me wrong

To think your argument is right from the start.. if only the world was as black and white as you seem to think it is.

So as a time machine Conservative what year do want to travel Back to? For your Utopia views on the Constitution in America when every American reads it the same way ?

because that statement below ex plains much. Is that your example of " your reasoned approach "?..


the citizens who do cherish and respect the Constitution will never give up our guns -- BECAUSE, liberals want that government that would take up arms against us . . . exactly the kind of government that you claim has been evolved out of existence.

So what is your point? Are you saying Reelin is wrong? Are you saying you're right? Are you saying there is no right or wrong? That everything depends on "interpretation"?

If everything depends on personal "interpretation," then where do you get off criticizing his point of view? Is your opinion "right from the start"?

[ReelinRod]

Originally Posted by wdmso

1) present reasoned supported argument that proves me wrong

To think your argument is right from the start.. if only the world was as black and white as you seem to think it is.

If I encounter a statement that I feel is wrong I precisely quote it and rebut it. I do not expect different treatment; if you believe what I say is wrong I would expect to be rebutted.

One thing I believe to the core of my being is that a position isn't worth anything if it isn't worth an ardent defense. Why should I take your opinion to be anything but hot air if you make no effort to present argument to support your position?

You can keep saying that things aren't black and white but you never explain the grey or explain why black is wrong and white is right . . . Just calling my position names ain't gonna cut it.

Originally Posted by wdmso

So as a time machine Conservative what year do want to travel Back to? For your Utopia views on the Constitution in America when every American reads it the same way ?

The Constitution hasn't changed meaning. If there are differing views on what the COTUS means or directs, usually only one side is correct. You saying I don't see the different meanings is just another useless statement that has no value in the discussion. I know there are different opinions, tearing them apart is what I enjoy.

Originally Posted by wdmso

because that statement below explains much. Is that your example of " your reasoned approach "?..


the citizens who do cherish and respect the Constitution will never give up our guns -- BECAUSE, liberals want that government that would take up arms against us . . . exactly the kind of government that you claim has been evolved out of existence.

In the context of Got Stripers statement that I was replying to? Sure.