Russia and Syria

[Sea Dangles]

Where was the outrage when Barry drew the line in the sand and looked away?
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[JohnR]

50-60 TLAMs will send a few messages. It won't cripple Assad but it will let him (and Norks / Iran) know he is not going to look the other way.

The world cannot let Chem use persist. Really bad options to choose from

[wdmso]

its all cool until they start shooting back.. I guess we should be thankful no Russian personal were killed that we know of

I am curious is our allies were informed of our intent

why he acted so quickly ( putting on a show for the china's president ?)

or was it to change the headlines about his administration

not saying that use of force should never be used

but acting Unilateral and with in the time frame Raises some red flags for me



You put your right foot in
You take your right foot out
You put your right foot in
And you shake it all about
You do the hokey pokey
And you turn yourself around
That's what it's all about

if it was that easy saw this post this AM on FB

If you voted for Trump and you are glad he did this, you are just as stupid as the liberals. It's an obvious kneejerk reaction.. I was hoping the deep state and neocons wouldn't get to Mr. Trump. This is very disappointing if they did.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

its all cool until they start shooting back.. I guess we should be thankful no Russian personal were killed that we know of

I am curious is our allies were informed of our intent

why he acted so quickly ( putting on a show for the china's president ?)

or was it to change the headlines about his administration

not saying that use of force should never be used

but acting Unilateral and with in the time frame Raises some red flags for me

I hope no Russian personnel were killed though in fairness, they would care less for our people

Allies were reportedly informed, Russia prepped (which of course means Assad knew)

All in all, I don't think it was a bad response. And it showed there will be penalty for using Chem weapons, as there must be.

[Ian]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Where was the outrage when Barry drew the line in the sand and looked away?
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Not outraged, just curious... I'm not sure whether I hate someone ever NOT taking military action in a political hotspot
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Ian

Not outraged, just curious... I'm not sure whether I hate someone ever NOT taking military action in a political hotspot
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That is all the evidence need to let you know how critical these decisions are
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Ian

Not outraged, just curious... I'm not sure whether I hate someone ever NOT taking military action in a political hotspot
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That was a bad precedent. Before then it was fairly understood that use of chemical weapons would have significant consequence but that issue diluted that. A look with minimum consequence into one of Pandora's little boxes.

[rphud]

Hard to believe that things would not be better than they are today if the response was made when they first crossed the red line. It was only a matter of time before Assad started on Idlib, still a surprise he went for the chemicals.

[Ian]

Originally Posted by JohnR

That was a bad precedent. Before then it was fairly understood that use of chemical weapons would have significant consequence but that issue diluted that. A look with minimum consequence into one of Pandora's little boxes.

Yeah, I see that side pretty clearly... but I still think things get very muddy when you talk about the relationship between Assad and Putin... hard to tell if retaliating in those conditions would/will kick off WWIII... although things have been quieter than I would have expected since the attack, so that's a good thing
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Where was the outrage when Barry drew the line in the sand and looked away?
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did some research it seems congress looked away as well


President Obama abruptly changed course on Saturday and postponed a military strike against the Syrian government in retaliation for a chemical weapons attack so he could seek authorization first from a deeply skeptical Congress.

On Aug. 28 of that year, then-Rep. Cory Gardner, Rep. Scott Tipton, and Rep. Mike Coffman signed on to a House letter to Obama that urged the president to “consult and receive authorization from Congress before ordering the use of U.S. military force in Syria.”

“Engaging our military in Syria when no direct threat to the United States exists and without prior congressional authorization would violate the separation of powers that is clearly delineated in the Constitution,” the letter said.

The letter the three Colorado Reps. signed onto said they viewed the bypass of Congress when ordering military strikes as “unconstitutional.”

“Tonight’s actions in Syria come after Assad’s horrific actions against his own people,” he said in a statement. “America must show leadership and I’m thankful for what appears to be an effective response by our military.”

Seems republicans love wearing Flops Flops when it moves them

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

did some research it seems congress looked away as well


President Obama abruptly changed course on Saturday and postponed a military strike against the Syrian government in retaliation for a chemical weapons attack so he could seek authorization first from a deeply skeptical Congress.

On Aug. 28 of that year, then-Rep. Cory Gardner, Rep. Scott Tipton, and Rep. Mike Coffman signed on to a House letter to Obama that urged the president to “consult and receive authorization from Congress before ordering the use of U.S. military force in Syria.”

“Engaging our military in Syria when no direct threat to the United States exists and without prior congressional authorization would violate the separation of powers that is clearly delineated in the Constitution,” the letter said.

The letter the three Colorado Reps. signed onto said they viewed the bypass of Congress when ordering military strikes as “unconstitutional.”

“Tonight’s actions in Syria come after Assad’s horrific actions against his own people,” he said in a statement. “America must show leadership and I’m thankful for what appears to be an effective response by our military.”

Seems republicans love wearing Flops Flops when it moves them

So when Trump can't get Congress to pass one of his initiatives (health care reform), he is ineffective. When Obama can't get Congress to pass one of his (retaliation against Assad), it's Congress that is ineffective.

When Trump keeps his promise re Assad and goes around Congress and possibly around the Constitution in order to do so, his action is questionable.

When Obama disregards Congress and the Constitution (which he did several times) in order to keep his promises, he is brilliant, and gets things done in spite of Congress and in spite of the Constitution. (which he could have done when Assad crossed his "red line).

So, when Obama and Trump act in similar ways, for Obama it's win, win. For Trump, it's lose, lose.

Nice.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So when Trump can't get Congress to pass one of his initiatives (health care reform), he is ineffective. When Obama can't get Congress to pass one of his (retaliation against Assad), it's Congress that is ineffective.

When Trump keeps his promise re Assad and goes around Congress and possibly around the Constitution in order to do so, his action is questionable.

When Obama disregards Congress and the Constitution (which he did several times) in order to keep his promises, he is brilliant, and gets things done in spite of Congress and in spite of the Constitution. (which he could have done when Assad crossed his "red line).

So, when Obama and Trump act in similar ways, for Obama it's win, win. For Trump, it's lose, lose.

Nice.

Seems your creating a narrative thats not there .. some may think that .. not I

I am just pointing out that Most conservatives wanted him (Obama) to seek congressional approval..prior to mil action in syria as did Trump as seen in his many tweets .. but conservatives as a whole do not no seek such requirement today

[scottw]

a conservative view.....

"Why is Donald Trump making war on Syria? Congress ought to ask him to explain that, and also to explain from where he believe he derives the authority to do so without legal authorization."

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...egal-pointless