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Old 10-12-2016, 04:04 AM   #1
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the parties have "platforms"...the candidates have various policy positions, act like they know everything, make a lot of promises and basically morph into whatever they need to at different times in order to get the nomination and eventually elected or not....you've probably see this if you are paying attention

hope that helps....

looks like trump has around 53 policy positions https://www.politiplatform.com/trump

let me know if you want me to explain to you how a Bill becomes a Law
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just for giggles...the preambles to the repub/dem platforms begin like this....can you guess which is which?

We believe in American exceptionalism.
We believe the United States of America is
unlike any other nation on earth.
We believe America is exceptional because of
our historic role — first as refuge, then as defender,
and now as exemplar of liberty for the world to see.
We affirm — as did the Declaration of
Independence: that all are created equal, endowed
by their Creator with inalienable rights of life, liberty,
and the pursuit of happiness.
We believe in the Constitution as our founding
document.
We believe the Constitution was written not as
a flexible document, but as our enduring covenant.
We believe our constitutional system — limited
government, separation of powers, federalism,
and the rights of the people — must be preserved
uncompromised for future generations.
We believe political freedom and economic
freedom are indivisible.
When political freedom and economic freedom
are separated — both are in peril; when united, they
are invincible.
We believe that people are the ultimate resource
— and that the people, not the government, are the
best stewards of our country’s God-given natural
resources.

and

In 2016, Democrats meet in Philadelphia with the same basic belief that animated the
Continental Congress when they gathered here 240 years ago: Out of many, we are one.
Under President Obama’s leadership, and thanks to the hard work and determination of the
American people, we have come a long way from the Great Recession and the Republican
policies that triggered it. American businesses have now added 14.8 million jobs since privatesector
job growth turned positive in early 2010. Twenty million people have gained health
insurance coverage. The American auto industry just had its best year ever. And we are getting
more of our energy from the sun and wind, and importing less oil from overseas.
But too many Americans have been left out and left behind. They are working longer hours with
less security. Wages have barely budged and the racial wealth gap remains wide, while the cost
of everything from childcare to a college education has continued to rise. And for too many
families, the dream of homeownership is out of reach. As working people struggle, the top one
percent accrues more wealth and more power. Republicans in Congress have chosen gridlock
and dysfunction over trying to find solutions to the real challenges we face. It’s no wonder that
so many feel like the system is rigged against them.
Democrats believe that cooperation is better than conflict, unity is better than division,
empowerment is better than resentment, and bridges are better than walls.
It’s a simple but powerful idea: we are stronger together.
Democrats believe we are stronger when we have an economy that works for everyone—an
economy that grows incomes for working people, creates good-paying jobs, and puts a middleclass
life within reach for more Americans. Democrats believe we can spur more sustainable
economic growth, which will create good-paying jobs and raise wages. And we can have more
economic fairness, so the rewards are shared broadly, not just with those at the top. We need an
economy that prioritizes long-term investment over short-term profit-seeking, rewards the
common interest over self-interest, and promotes innovation and entrepreneurship.
We believe that today’s extreme level of income and wealth inequality—where the majority of
the economic gains go to the top one percent and the richest 20 people in our country own more
wealth than the bottom 150 million—makes our economy weaker, our communities poorer, and
our politics poisonous.
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the parties have "platforms"...the candidates have various policy positions, act like they know everything, make a lot of promises and basically morph into whatever they need to at different times in order to get the nomination and eventually elected or not....you've probably see this if you are paying attention

hope that helps....

looks like trump has around 53 policy positions https://www.politiplatform.com/trump

let me know if you want me to explain to you how a Bill becomes a Law
https://www.politiplatform.com/clinton has 175 policy positions

Not sure trump understands How a Bill becomes a law seeing he thinks the President of the united states can put someone in jail

his policy on health care : Healthcare
number 20
Defund Planned Parenthood thats it

its clear he has no plan
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Old 10-12-2016, 06:33 AM   #4
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https://www.politiplatform.com/clinton has 175 policy positions I guess she wins on # of policy positions...of course, she is beholden to MANY more special interests

Not sure trump understands How a Bill becomes a law seeing he thinks the President of the united states can put someone in jail

his policy on health care : Healthcare
number 20
Defund Planned Parenthood thats it

its clear he has no plan
if you are suggesting he has no plan regarding healthcare, perhaps he believes that healthcare it is not a responsibility of the position? didn't read that in the job description anywhere...

he said "you'd be in jail"....he didn't say "I'd put you in jail"

now if she ended up in jail because his highly politicized State Department, Justice Department, FBI etc....made sure she ended up in jail....then we can just give him credit for continuing the policies of Obama with opposite results for Hill due to the change in partisanship

if she ended up in jail as a result of the fact that his State, Justice Dept and FBI were not politicized and actually conducted legitimate investigations and provided all of the evidence cooperating with the investigation...then it would be as it should be...

either way democrats, would have no business complaining
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if you are suggesting he has no plan regarding healthcare, perhaps he believes that healthcare it is not a responsibility of the position? didn't read that in the job description anywhere...

he said "you'd be in jail"....he didn't say "I'd put you in jail"

now if she ended up in jail because his highly politicized State Department, Justice Department, FBI etc....made sure she ended up in jail....then we can just give him credit for continuing the policies of Obama with opposite results for Hill due to the change in partisanship

if she ended up in jail as a result of the fact that his State, Justice Dept and FBI were not politicized and actually conducted legitimate investigations and provided all of the evidence cooperating with the investigation...then it would be as it should be...

either way democrats, would have no business complaining
Clinton said it was “awfully good” that someone with the temperament of Trump was not in charge of the law in the country, provoking another Trump jab: “Because you’d be in jail.”

A defiant Donald Trump on Sunday attacked former President Bill Clinton for his treatment of women and vowed, if he won the White House, to put Hillary Clinton in jail for operating a private email server while U.S. secretary of state.http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/...il-threat.html

how do you have the ability not to clearly what most other people see plain as day?
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Old 10-12-2016, 05:08 PM   #6
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Clinton said it was “awfully good” that someone with the temperament of Trump was not in charge of the law in the country, provoking another Trump jab: “Because you’d be in jail.”

A defiant Donald Trump on Sunday attacked former President Bill Clinton for his treatment of women and vowed, if he won the White House, to put Hillary Clinton in jail for operating a private email server while U.S. secretary of state.http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/...il-threat.html

how do you have the ability not to clearly what most other people see plain as day?
What is it you are trying to say? What are we not seeing?

Have you seen this by the way.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/democr...165700194.html
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Old 10-12-2016, 06:47 PM   #7
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Clinton said it was “awfully good” that someone with the temperament of Trump was not in charge of the law in the country, provoking another Trump jab: “Because you’d be in jail.”

A defiant Donald Trump on Sunday attacked former President Bill Clinton for his treatment of women and vowed, if he won the White House, to put Hillary Clinton in jail for operating a private email server while U.S. secretary of state.http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/...il-threat.html

how do you have the ability not to clearly what most other people see plain as day?
she'd be in jail because his administration would actually enforce the laws is the implication and a HYUUUGE problem for Hillary's "temperament" of corruption

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...s-insider.html

as opposed to the current administration that selectively enforces them, ignores them and even makes them up when it feels like it....

your panties are in a bunch over an off handed "remark" by Trump ...while the current administration had "actually done" what you fear...

seems to be a recurring theme
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she'd be in jail because his administration would actually enforce the laws is the implication and a HYUUUGE problem for Hillary's "temperament" of corruption

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...s-insider.html

as opposed to the current administration that selectively enforces them, ignores them and even makes them up when it feels like it....

your panties are in a bunch over an off handed "remark" by Trump ...while the current administration had "actually done" what you fear...

seems to be a recurring theme
Yeah, and if wd can't comprehend something as simple and direct as your explanation, and must #^&#^&#^&#^&er over Trump somehow saying that he personally would put Hillary in jail, the article clearly says, if wd read that far: "Trump, the Republican presidential candidate, said he would appoint a special prosecutor to look into his Democratic rival's email use because she had endangered national security during her tenure as President Barack Obama's chief diplomat from 2009-2013." Of course, he would ask his attorney general to appoint the prosecutor.

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Old 10-13-2016, 05:28 AM   #9
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she'd be in jail because his administration would actually enforce the laws is the implication and a HYUUUGE problem for Hillary's "temperament" of corruption

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016...s-insider.html

as opposed to the current administration that selectively enforces them, ignores them and even makes them up when it feels like it....

your panties are in a bunch over an off handed "remark" by Trump ...while the current administration had "actually done" what you fear...

seems to be a recurring theme
this recurring Dream or Theme seems to the one created by the right hell you have detbuch using phrases like dictator's hat complaining about executive orders (which are not new) regulatory agency and saying it's al constitutionally questionable.... its conspiracy central on steroids ..

Trump represents the right wish for a Time machine .. thats what he is promising , a path back to the 50's where everything was a Norman Rockwell painting and white was might ... he is using the same sales tactics he used for Trump University it will be Great "THAT I can tell you!" or with health insurance You’re gonna have plans that are so good!
it's Nationalism packaged as Patriotism 2 very different

this guy sums it up better than I could (or my conspiracy theory)

The nationalist tends to shout slogans to proclaim his country’s greatness; the patriot is quietly confident, aware of his nation’s strengths and weaknesses. In wanting to holler, the nationalist reflects insecurity, low self-esteem, even a feeling of inferiority; the patriot is comfortable in his skin. “Every nationalist is haunted by the belief that the past can be altered,” wrote Orwell.
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everybody thought water gate was corrupt....this administration is much worst and no one has paid a price for all the corruption....

"When its not about money,it's all about money."...
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this recurring Dream or Theme seems to the one created by the right hell you have detbuch using phrases like dictator's hat complaining about executive orders (which are not new) regulatory agency and saying it's al constitutionally questionable.... its conspiracy central on steroids ..

Your use of the phrase"the right hell" gives the hypocritical lie to the rest of your paragraph's recurring Dream or Theme. My metaphors are more accurate than yours. An exectutive order which is made outside of constitutional bounds (outside of the law pertaining to presidential power) is dictatorial. The fact that it is not new is irrelevant. Regulatory agencies actually do exist. And they are used exactly as I described. And they are constitutionally questionable as I have described in detail on this forum in the past. That, apparently, you don't understand that, and must depend on politically biased Judges to tell you how to think doesn't give any credence to your "conspiracy central on steroids" conspiracy.

Trump represents the right wish for a Time machine .. thats what he is promising , a path back to the 50's where everything was a Norman Rockwell painting and white was might ...

I never heard him promise any of that. Your metaphor is misplaced. It seems to be more of a tactic to persuade,

he is using the same sales tactics he used for Trump University it will be Great "THAT I can tell you!" or with health insurance You’re gonna have plans that are so good!

Yeah, he is using a rhetorical tactic . . . just as you did. You're a hypocrite.

it's Nationalism packaged as Patriotism 2 very different

Though patriotism and nationalism are different, they need not be incompatable. Tom Paine's "Sunshine Patriot", or Patrick henry's "Give me Liberty or Give Me Death" speeches for example.


this guy sums it up better than I could (or my conspiracy theory)

The nationalist tends to shout slogans to proclaim his country’s greatness; the patriot is quietly confident, aware of his nation’s strengths and weaknesses. In wanting to holler, the nationalist reflects insecurity, low self-esteem, even a feeling of inferiority; the patriot is comfortable in his skin. “Every nationalist is haunted by the belief that the past can be altered,” wrote Orwell.
If you truly understood Orwell, you would not embrace a Progressive for President, nor for any other position of political power. Using his distinction between nationalism and patriotism in order to support a politician who is the standard bearer for a system of government which claims that there are no inherent rights, but only rights which the government allows, shows you do not understand what Orwell was trying to warn us against. And yes, Progressives have stated that there are no inalienable rights.

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let me know if you want me to explain to you how a Bill becomes a Law
He must have missed this when he was a kid...

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