Obama says Russia acting 'barbarous' in Syria

[Jim in CT]

The State Dept announced today, that because of the way Russia is acting in Syria, it is suspending bilateral contacts with Russia.

Who was it, again, who said this to Mitt Romney, for speculating that Russia would be an adversary?

"The 1980s called! They want their foreign policy back!""

Atta boy, Columbo. Atta boy!!

Obama...always wrong, never in doubt.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...10-03-13-41-42

And the Democrats want to replace him, with someone whose judgment is so appalling, that she didn't believe that the patron saint to infidelity was cheating on her...rather, it made more sense to Hilary, to accuse the GOP of framing her poor husband, who naturally is innocent as a newborn kitten.

[JohnR]

I have a lot of issues with what is going WRT Russia (and has been for a while). Whilke I cannot believe I am going to say this, I think Hillary could deal with this better than Trump. DJT has become a low grade tool of Putin lately.

[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I have a lot of issues with what is going WRT Russia (and has been for a while). Whilke I cannot believe I am going to say this, I think Hillary could deal with this better than Trump. DJT has become a low grade tool of Putin lately.

How has Trump become a tool for Putin?
Disregard if I should not be participating I am not trying to rock the boat, just wondering how this connection between Trump and Putin has developed.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

How has Trump become a tool for Putin?
Disregard if I should not be participating I am not trying to rock the boat, just wondering how this connection between Trump and Putin has developed.
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Not all - the point was just start less threads.

OK - Putin, for years, has been doing a lot to split governments and political factions withing governments. He has done it much over Europe and the Middle East. Russia has massive organized fake and government controlled new sites and trolls going out to sow discord, particularly on social media.

Trump has repeated beliefs and sayings in alignment with Putin and stuff frequently seen on RT and other places. I know it seems a little, umm, extreme but this has been accelerating as of late.

Many serious NatSec folks have gone on record of steering clear of Trump.

Plus he is simply not serious. He is a charlatan realty TV person.

So we have a choice between the Criminal and the Charlatan - I am choosing other

[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Not all - the point was just start less threads.

OK - Putin, for years, has been doing a lot to split governments and political factions withing governments. He has done it much over Europe and the Middle East. Russia has massive organized fake and government controlled new sites and trolls going out to sow discord, particularly on social media.

Trump has repeated beliefs and sayings in alignment with Putin and stuff frequently seen on RT and other places. I know it seems a little, umm, extreme but this has been accelerating as of late.

Many serious NatSec folks have gone on record of steering clear of Trump.

Plus he is simply not serious. He is a charlatan realty TV person.

So we have a choice between the Criminal and the Charlatan - I am choosing other

I don't believe I have posted any "Russian propaganda" and fail to see how Trump is connected to Russia using social media.

I am not sure what RT is but perhaps you could provide a link or examples of what Trump has said.

Charlatan who wants to enforce laws we have and not change the constitution. I don't think charlatan fits Trump who has managed to be successful in the system the way it is rigged for lack of a better term. He also employs thousands of people of many different races and sexes so the lefts attempts at labeling him a racist or sexist is nonsense.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...iuliani-226811
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

I don't believe I have posted any "Russian propaganda" and fail to see how Trump is connected to Russia using social media.

I am not sure what RT is but perhaps you could provide a link or examples of what Trump has said.

Charlatan who wants to enforce laws we have and not change the constitution. I don't think charlatan fits Trump who has managed to be successful in the system the way it is rigged for lack of a better term. He also employs thousands of people of many different races and sexes so the lefts attempts at labeling him a racist or sexist is nonsense.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...iuliani-226811
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I never said you posted it - I said Trump has stated things that are straight from RT (RussiaTimes) which is the Kremlin Controlled Media.

Many of his advisors have had close ties to Russia; Manafort, Flynn, for example. He benefits from WikiLeaks and Assange, a clear and fairly well documented Russian front. Hell, InfoWars is not above possible ties to Russia

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I never said you posted it - I said Trump has stated things that are straight from RT (RussiaTimes) which is the Kremlin Controlled Media.

Many of his advisors have had close ties to Russia; Manafort, Flynn, for example. He benefits from WikiLeaks and Assange, a clear and fairly well documented Russian front. Hell, InfoWars is not above possible ties to Russia

don't forget Ted Kennedy ...and that was apparently not a problem...Spence could probably explain how it was brilliant and an asset in fact...

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I have a lot of issues with what is going WRT Russia (and has been for a while). Whilke I cannot believe I am going to say this, I think Hillary could deal with this better than Trump. DJT has become a low grade tool of Putin lately.

Although Presidents have the last word, they usually rely on their advisers on various issues. Trump has always consulted experts in his business dealings, rather then merely relying on his own judgment. Although he does like to take credit for what others have done for him. I strongly suspect he would do the same as President. I'd think that Hillary would do the same. Though she was more personally in charge of her affairs as SecState. There's no strong evidence that she was successful at that. Could she pull off another "successful" Russian reset?

And as a "charlatan," Trump could lull Putin into agreements with the confidence that Trump is an unserious fool. All the while, however, gaining advantage for the U.S. Sort of another way of making a deal. Sort of being dumb as a fox.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Could she pull off another "successful" Russian reset?

And as a "charlatan," Trump could lull Putin into agreements with the confidence that Trump is an unserious fool. All the while, however, gaining advantage for the U.S. Sort of another way of making a deal. Sort of being dumb as a fox.

well, Spence assured us that everything Obama was doing with regard to Russia, Syria, Iran, China was actually part of a masterful plan so complex and brilliant that none of us could possibly understand the brilliance or complexity....seems to be working out so well he'll masterfully leave a huge mess for his successor to "inherit" (miles of irony there) not to mention the eminent collapse of his "signature achievement" Obamacare....and.... I think the seas are still rising.....but I hear his golf game has improved....don't know how..I've seen his stroke....you'd think with that much practice????

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Although Presidents have the last word, they usually rely on their advisers on various issues. Trump has always consulted experts in his business dealings, rather then merely relying on his own judgment. Although he does like to take credit for what others have done for him. I strongly suspect he would do the same as President. I'd think that Hillary would do the same. Though she was more personally in charge of her affairs as SecState. There's no strong evidence that she was successful at that. Could she pull off another "successful" Russian reset?

And as a "charlatan," Trump could lull Putin into agreements with the confidence that Trump is an unserious fool. All the while, however, gaining advantage for the U.S. Sort of another way of making a deal. Sort of being dumb as a fox.

I have no reason to believe that Trump would be any better than the low bar Obama set for picking advisors, let alone the low bar of actually listening to them.

Originally Posted by scottw

don't forget Ted Kennedy ...and that was apparently not a problem...Spence could probably explain how it was brilliant and an asset in fact...

Two wrongs don't improve a doofus

Originally Posted by scottw

well, Spence assured us that everything Obama was doing with regard to Russia, Syria, Iran, China was actually part of a masterful plan so complex and brilliant that none of us could possibly understand the brilliance or complexity....seems to be working out so well he'll masterfully leave a huge mess for his successor to "inherit" (miles of irony there) not to mention the eminent collapse of his "signature achievement" Obamacare....and.... I think the seas are still rising.....but I hear his golf game has improved....don't know how..I've seen his stroke....you'd think with that much practice????

Obama has been the worst foreign policy president since maybe Johnson.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I have no reason to believe that Trump would be any better than the low bar Obama set for picking advisors, let alone the low bar of actually listening to them.



Two wrongs don't improve a doofus



Obama has been the worst foreign policy president since maybe Johnson.

"I have no reason to believe that Trump would be any better than the low bar Obama set for picking advisors"

Trump has chosen Mike Pence, Newt Gingrich, and Rudy Guiliani to be among his closest advisors. Gingrich wrote the last budget that generated a surplus. Guliani was an amazing mayor of NYC during a brutal time. I take some comfort in knowing those accomplished guys are advising Trump, who desperately needs good advice.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"I have no reason to believe that Trump would be any better than the low bar Obama set for picking advisors"

Trump has chosen Mike Pence, Newt Gingrich, and Rudy Guiliani to be among his closest advisors. Gingrich wrote the last budget that generated a surplus. Guliani was an amazing mayor of NYC during a brutal time. I take some comfort in knowing those accomplished guys are advising Trump, who desperately needs good advice.

Great, three conspiracy peddlers. I hope you're not serious.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I have no reason to believe that Trump would be any better than the low bar Obama set for picking advisors, let alone the low bar of actually listening to them.

Obama has been the worst foreign policy president since maybe Johnson.

Obama picked Hillary as his principle adviser on foreign policy. Does that mean that she has the worst foreign policy record since maybe Johnson? What does that say about her ability to pick a good adviser? Or worse, that she wouldn't listen to him/her, but act on her own in foreign affairs? And that Trump would choose somebody even worse? In which case, maybe, he would be better not to listen to him/her. Is it really a fact that Trump doesn't listen to advisers, or is that just one of those many negative characterizations of him?

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Obama picked Hillary as his principle adviser on foreign policy. Does that mean that she has the worst foreign policy record since maybe Johnson? What does that say about her ability to pick a good adviser? Or worse, that she wouldn't listen to him/her, but act on her own in foreign affairs? And that Trump would choose somebody even worse? In which case, maybe, he would be better not to listen to him/her. Is it really a fact that Trump doesn't listen to advisers, or is that just one of those many negative characterizations of him?

She is probably responsible for the better of the two horrible halves of ForPol for Obama (I shouted from the Rooftops he was not qualified - wish I was wrong).


If Trump was efficient and calculating rather than the unfiltered impulsive tool we would not have experienced the disarrayed sheitshow we have been subject to over the past 8 months. He has shown very little capacity for policy - he makes up crap as he goes.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Obama picked Hillary as his principle adviser on foreign policy. Does that mean that she has the worst foreign policy record since maybe Johnson?

Team Effort

“They don’t want this stuff to come out because it will look really bad for Obama and Clinton just before the election,” said the associate.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...clinton-229115