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07-07-2016, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Slipknot
The coverup, deleting, lying about it and general scheme shows intent to me plain as day.
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Even the FBI said the deleting appeared routing cleaning up of old emails. I'm not sure you can say she lied about things, she quite possibly didn't know.
That being said, I'd sum up Comey's position on intent as this...Clinton seemed to have reasonable explanations for most of the charges, that he couldn't find real evidence to prove mal intent.
I think for the FBI director, that people here seem to respect, would say directly he didn't think Clinton broke the law or lied to the FBI is significant. |
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07-07-2016, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Even the FBI said the deleting appeared routing cleaning up of old emails. I'm not sure you can say she lied about things, she quite possibly didn't know.
That being said, I'd sum up Comey's position on intent as this...Clinton seemed to have reasonable explanations for most of the charges, that he couldn't find real evidence to prove mal intent.
I think for the FBI director, that people here seem to respect, would say directly he didn't think Clinton broke the law or lied to the FBI is significant.
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Clinton broke the law. Comey signified multiple cases on where she did. He said it was not prosecutable because he could not prove the intent.
He pretty much admitted she is not responsible enough to handle classified information. |
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07-08-2016, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
Clinton broke the law. Comey signified multiple cases on where she did. He said it was not prosecutable because he could not prove the intent.
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Then why did the FBI director say in his judgement she didn't break the law? |
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07-08-2016, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
Then why did the FBI director say in his judgement she didn't break the law?
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That's not what he said....
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07-08-2016, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
That's not what he said....
Reading is Fundamental...
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"Did Hillary Clinton break the law?" Chaffetz asked.
"In connection with her use of the email server? My judgment is that she did not," Comey said. |
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07-08-2016, 01:45 PM
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07-08-2016, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Fly Rod
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I think the situations are quite a bit different. That's not to say that his punishment isn't too harsh, though I can see the military drawing much straighter lines than the State Department.
...but in this case you have someone knowingly moving a large number of well marked classified documents onto a private system and then knowingly exposing some of that information.
...versus an unintentional drip of some classified bits onto an unclassified system.
Hey, if he can use the argument to lessen his punishment that may be a good thing. I don't think he was trying to do anything wrong by warning his team. |
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07-08-2016, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
"Did Hillary Clinton break the law?" Chaffetz asked.
"In connection with her use of the email server? My judgment is that she did not," Comey said.
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That's not what he said to the American people.....
"Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past."
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07-08-2016, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
That's not what he said to the American people.....
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Right, because speaking before the House Panel isn't being in front of the American people? Or perhaps you're saying the most honorable person in the room changed his story?
If he thought she broke the law, it would be because he had sufficient evidence to prove it, which he clearly said he did not... |
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07-08-2016, 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
Even the FBI said the deleting appeared routing cleaning up of old emails.
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I'm assuming you meant to say "routine" and not "routing" there. And your statement is wrong. No one from the FBI said the deleting appeared to be routine cleaning of old emails. Don't make stuff up and expect people to go along with it. You make yourself look stupid and I know that you're not. You're delusional and misguided, but not stupid. Just try sticking to the truth from now on. No more "I'm assuming", "I think", or "I believe" statements. Just the facts, as Joe Friday would say.
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07-08-2016, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by fishbones
No one from the FBI said the deleting appeared to be routine cleaning of old emails.
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Ok.
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"I should add here that we found no evidence that any of the additional work-related e-mails were intentionally deleted in an effort to conceal them. Our assessment is that, like many e-mail users, Secretary Clinton periodically deleted e-mails or e-mails were purged from the system when devices were changed."
James B. Comey
FBI Director
Washington, D.C.
July 05, 2016
https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/pr...-e-mail-system
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07-08-2016, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
Ok.
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You used the quote about "additional emails". Next time listen to the statement in its entirety. You're missing out on some interesting stuff by only reading and listening to what fits your agenda. The hearing yesterday was, for the most part, pretty interesting to listen to.
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07-08-2016, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by fishbones
You used the quote about "additional emails". Next time listen to the statement in its entirety. You're missing out on some interesting stuff by only reading and listening to what fits your agenda. The hearing yesterday was, for the most part, pretty interesting to listen to.
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Be more specific. I've read his statement multiple times and watched a good portion of the hearing... |
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07-08-2016, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
Be more specific. I've read his statement multiple times and watched a good portion of the hearing...
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You should watch about the last 90 minutes of it since clearly "a good portion" didn't include that. Or, maybe you weren't paying attention.
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07-08-2016, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by fishbones
You should watch about the last 90 minutes of it since clearly "a good portion" didn't include that. Or, maybe you weren't paying attention.
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Didn't include what. |
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