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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

your source of information says a lot... about yours and others Hillary obsession ... but the Donald calls for the return of waterboarding against Islamic State militants, saying: "I like it a lot." but all is

Ms. Smith (not her real name) is a freelance writer and programmer with a special and somewhat personal interest in IT privacy and security issues. She focuses on the unique challenges of maintaining privacy and security, both for individuals and enterprises. She has worked as a journalist and has also penned many technical papers and guides covering various technologies. Smith is herself a self-described privacy and security freak.

Still trying to see what your point is? Network World a Right wing source of news???? She works in IT and is concerned about Security and Privacy issues so her article is invalid???

Maybe if Hillary was as obsessed with IT Security and Privacy, as the writer, we wouldn't even be having this discussion right now.

Is ABC news better?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/state...ry?id=40078931

and I love how because I think Hillary is unfit to be president that I MUST be a Trump supporter.....I think he is equally unfit as well...just for different reasons.

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Still trying to see what your point is? Network World a Right wing source of news???? She works in IT and is concerned about Security and Privacy issues so her article is invalid???

Maybe if Hillary was as obsessed with IT Security and Privacy, as the writer, we wouldn't even be having this discussion right now.

Is ABC news better?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/state...ry?id=40078931

and I love how because I think Hillary is unfit to be president that I MUST be a Trump supporter.....I think he is equally unfit as well...just for different reasons.

Your ABC News article refutes your Network World article. To be honest I wish you'd fact check your own posts more often
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

Your ABC News article refutes your Network World article. To be honest I wish you'd fact check your own posts more often
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Maybe you should read the whole article.....

"Following much deliberation, the IT staffers at the State Department decided to temporarily disable at least one “anti-spam filter.” After the fixes were made, one staffer wrote, “We view this as a Band-Aid and fear it is not 100% full effective.”

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Still trying to see what your point is? Network World a Right wing source of news???? She works in IT and is concerned about Security and Privacy issues so her article is invalid???

Maybe if Hillary was as obsessed with IT Security and Privacy, as the writer, we wouldn't even be having this discussion right now.

Is ABC news better?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/state...ry?id=40078931

and I love how because I think Hillary is unfit to be president that I MUST be a Trump supporter.....I think he is equally unfit as well...just for different reasons.

I wan't sure where you stood on him , I apologize for that assumption
my comparison was to highlight peoples outrage over an email server and her need for Jail time yet trumps support of torture and his willingness to use it.. which is clearly illegal and morally wrong many have no problem with him committing a defined Crime .. but feel, she has committed a crime with the server ??
not saying she wasn't wrong or Stupid or got poor advise but come on

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

my comparison was to highlight peoples outrage over an email server and her need for Jail time yet trumps support of torture and his willingness to use it.. which is clearly illegal and morally wrong many have no problem with him committing a defined Crime .. but feel, she has committed a crime with the server ??
not saying she wasn't wrong or Stupid or got poor advise but come on

Not sure where you are getting your info. The US Justice Department signed off on the use of waterboarding. That necessarily means it's not a crime. They said it was within the law, and they are the authority on that. When the lawyers for the Justice Dept tell you that something is legal, that means it's legal.

Hilary is being investigated for possibly breaking the law.

Apples and oranges.

People are free to decide whether or not to hold Trump or Hilary accountable for his support of waterboarding, or her belief that the rules don't apply to her.

[JohnR]

I am no fan of Trump and do not think I will vote for him.

You are pilloring Trump for commenting on something he may do if elected President while whitewashing something Hillary DID do while SecState. You were in the service and did a tour over there, how would you feel if your team and your buddies were jeopardized due to the Secretary of State using an unsecure system so her emails would be not subject to FOIA requests?

Both parties and both administrations have sacrificed good men and women at the feet of effing Politics and Party. It is horrible.

How many times did someone in Washington or Tampa go and eff you guys over with the long screwdriver? Hillary, through her design to circumvent the system to protect her own ass DEGRADED the national security of this country. The Russians were reading the mail of arguably the second most important and influential national figure in the United States.

Spence will argue otherwise as he is want to do.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I am no fan of Trump and do not think I will vote for him.

You are pilloring Trump for commenting on something he may do if elected President while whitewashing something Hillary DID do while SecState. You were in the service and did a tour over there, how would you feel if your team and your buddies were jeopardized due to the Secretary of State using an unsecure system so her emails would be not subject to FOIA requests?

Both parties and both administrations have sacrificed good men and women at the feet of effing Politics and Party. It is horrible.

How many times did someone in Washington or Tampa go and eff you guys over with the long screwdriver? Hillary, through her design to circumvent the system to protect her own ass DEGRADED the national security of this country. The Russians were reading the mail of arguably the second most important and influential national figure in the United States.

Spence will argue otherwise as he is want to do.

in the world of of hypotheticals yes there is a very slim possibilities the email issue could have impacted operations on the ground .. but I know for a Fact that if Trump becomes POTUS he has definitely put every Service member at risk with his statement on torture even if he dosn't change the policy who or what countries are going to thinks thats True?

Hillarys emails even if hacked Dont forget our friend Israel. were stolen not given to or enemies by hillary unlike like Snowden who many who want her in jail hail him as a Hero..

I am no Fan of Hillary but i take issues with the GOP and there investigation after investigation and investigation hearing and hearing all in the hopes of finding something like in the Ken Star days and come up with Nada .. all while the infrastructure and bigger problem get little attention and Americans suffer for it .. but their base gets all the attention for votes its crazy

I found this and sums up it up better than I can ..

There’s a certain twisted logic to this. The unhinged right starts with the ideologically satisfying answer – President Obama and Hillary Clinton are guilty of horrible Benghazi-related wrongdoing – and then works backwards, looking for “proof” that matches the conclusion. When their ostensible allies fail to tell these activists what they want to hear, they could reevaluate their bogus assumptions, but it’s vastly easier to believe Republicans have let them down.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

in the world of of hypotheticals yes there is a very slim possibilities the email issue could have impacted operations on the ground .. but I know for a Fact that if Trump becomes POTUS he has definitely put every Service member at risk with his statement on torture even if he dosn't change the policy who or what countries are going to thinks thats True?

Hillarys emails even if hacked Dont forget our friend Israel. were stolen not given to or enemies by hillary unlike like Snowden who many who want her in jail hail him as a Hero..

I am no Fan of Hillary but i take issues with the GOP and there investigation after investigation and investigation hearing and hearing all in the hopes of finding something like in the Ken Star days and come up with Nada .. all while the infrastructure and bigger problem get little attention and Americans suffer for it .. but their base gets all the attention for votes its crazy

I found this and sums up it up better than I can ..

There’s a certain twisted logic to this. The unhinged right starts with the ideologically satisfying answer – President Obama and Hillary Clinton are guilty of horrible Benghazi-related wrongdoing – and then works backwards, looking for “proof” that matches the conclusion. When their ostensible allies fail to tell these activists what they want to hear, they could reevaluate their bogus assumptions, but it’s vastly easier to believe Republicans have let them down.

The Benghazi investigations and the Judicial Watch FOIA requests are what uncovered the Hillary email handling. And they had roadblock after road block put up in front of them.

The Benghazi commission raised some interesting points that would not have been raised otherwise. And yes, the did fairly well establish that the Obama Admin politicized the event (Hillary and Rice) to benefit Obama with an election just under 2 months away. To support their Narrative.

WTH does Israel have to do with Hillary's email server?

And it frankly doesn't matter whether Hillary gave emails or they were stolen because they WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

"
There’s a certain twisted logic to this. The unhinged right starts with the ideologically satisfying answer – President Obama and Hillary Clinton are guilty of horrible Benghazi-related wrongdoing – and then works backwards, looking for “proof” that matches the conclusion. When their ostensible allies fail to tell these activists what they want to hear, they could reevaluate their bogus assumptions, but it’s vastly easier to believe Republicans have let them down."

THat you Spence

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

The Benghazi investigations and the Judicial Watch FOIA requests are what uncovered the Hillary email handling. And they had roadblock after road block put up in front of them.

The Benghazi commission raised some interesting points that would not have been raised otherwise. And yes, the did fairly well establish that the Obama Admin politicized the event (Hillary and Rice) to benefit Obama with an election just under 2 months away. To support their Narrative.

WTH does Israel have to do with Hillary's email server?

And it frankly doesn't matter whether Hillary gave emails or they were stolen because they WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

"
There’s a certain twisted logic to this. The unhinged right starts with the ideologically satisfying answer – President Obama and Hillary Clinton are guilty of horrible Benghazi-related wrongdoing – and then works backwards, looking for “proof” that matches the conclusion. When their ostensible allies fail to tell these activists what they want to hear, they could reevaluate their bogus assumptions, but it’s vastly easier to believe Republicans have let them down."

THat you Spence

WTH does Israel have to do with Hillary's email server?

they are on the short list of potential Countries who got the supposed hacked emails

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Not sure where you are getting your info. The US Justice Department signed off on the use of waterboarding. That necessarily means it's not a crime. They said it was within the law, and they are the authority on that. When the lawyers for the Justice Dept tell you that something is legal, that means it's legal.

Hilary is being investigated for possibly breaking the law.

Apples and oranges.

People are free to decide whether or not to hold Trump or Hilary accountable for his support of waterboarding, or her belief that the rules don't apply to her.

Jim you just said what spence has been saying about the email thing ( if at the time it wasn't illegal how can it be Illegal now ) that seem to be your stance on the topic ... but currently it is not legal for the CIA or the Military .. to waterboard


Executive Order 13491, issued by Barack Obama on January 22, 2009 (two days after Obama's inauguration) revoked Executive Order 13440 of July 20, 2007. It restricted the CIA and other Executive Agencies to proceed with interrogations "strictly in accord with the principles, processes, conditions, and limitations [Army Field Manual 2 22.3] prescribes".[9] Persons associated with the U.S. government were advised that they could rely on the manual, but could not rely upon "any interpretation of the law governing interrogation -- including interpretations of Federal criminal laws, the Convention Against Torture, Common Article 3,


you mean this guy

http://lawnewz.com/video/bush-doj-la...s-federal-law/

Waterboarding is illegal, says US justice department official

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim you just said what spence has been saying about the email thing ( if at the time it wasn't illegal how can it be Illegal now ) that seem to be your stance on the topic ... but currently it is not legal for the CIA or the Military .. to waterboard


Executive Order 13491, issued by Barack Obama on January 22, 2009 (two days after Obama's inauguration) revoked Executive Order 13440 of July 20, 2007. It restricted the CIA and other Executive Agencies to proceed with interrogations "strictly in accord with the principles, processes, conditions, and limitations [Army Field Manual 2 22.3] prescribes".[9] Persons associated with the U.S. government were advised that they could rely on the manual, but could not rely upon "any interpretation of the law governing interrogation -- including interpretations of Federal criminal laws, the Convention Against Torture, Common Article 3,


you mean this guy

http://lawnewz.com/video/bush-doj-la...s-federal-law/

Waterboarding is illegal, says US justice department official

The U.S. justice dept signed off on what bush did. Trump hasn't done anything yet. Hilary has. If it was as simple as saying that what she did was legal at the time, why is obamas justice dept investigating?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The U.S. justice dept signed off on what bush did. Trump hasn't done anything yet. Hilary has. If it was as simple as saying that what she did was legal at the time, why is obamas justice dept investigating?
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Trump hasn't done anything yet. Hilary has.

So much for innocent until proven guilty .. and thats the issue your all ready convinced like Benghazi reguardless of the evidence presented

but you'll trust the DOJ with Waterboardering approval but anything less than hang her from the DOJ ion email and its Fixed

the new defense of the 21 or so Benghazi hearing and investigations is

Well we found out about the email server ..

thats like investigating someone for for murder and not getting a conviction but finding out they are stealing cable and hold that up as a success spending millions of dollars for a cable crime that may or may not be a punishable under the law

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

thats like investigating someone for for murder and not getting a conviction but finding out they are stealing cable and hold that up as a success spending millions of dollars for a cable crime that may or may not be a punishable under the law

No, it is not like stealing cable. The email issue and the security implications are actually worse than what may or may not have happened at Benghazi

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Not sure where you are getting your info. The US Justice Department signed off on the use of waterboarding. That necessarily means it's not a crime. They said it was within the law, and they are the authority on that. When the lawyers for the Justice Dept tell you that something is legal, that means it's legal.

Bush had a DOJ attorney write a memo asserting they felt waterboarding would be legal under the circumstances. That doesn't *make* it legal, but it gives the Admin some cover to justify their actions in the future if necessary.