Obama goes to Hiroshima, and naturally, screws it up

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I didn't say he apologized.

Rockhound, was it 'evil' for the US to drop the bomb on Japan, at that time, with the hope of avoiding the invasion? Do you really htink 'evil' is the way to describe our actions?



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“Death fell from the sky and the world was changed,” Obama said, “The flash of light and a wall of fire destroyed a city and demonstrated that mankind possessed the means to destroy itself.”

Where did he decry it as evil?? I didn't see the whole speech but read two different articles about it...

Evil, no. At the time, probably the best action to end the war.

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Where did he decry it as evil?? I didn't see the whole speech but read two different articles about it...

Rock, remember that Jim doesn't do well with broad or abstract concepts. Like the notion that the decision to drop the bomb wasn't evil but that nuclear weapons are.

[JohnR]

And Obama does not do well with conventional history. Perhaps there is a reason that a sitting American president has not gone to Hiroshima until now.

But he did not say evil, though he did say morals need to develop in conjunction with scientific advances. Sadly, the way morals have developed in the 7 decades following the Greatest Generation, a liberation of Europe or Asia would probably not take place today if history would repeat.

So as America turns its cheek and wanes both in capability and in responsibility, others will happily occupy our absence in that role. China and Russia in particular are salivating at the demise of the USA as a force generally for good, generally for peace. Our kids and grandkids will sadly pay that bill. What is old is new again.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Perhaps there is a reason that a sitting American president has not gone to Hiroshima until now.

Because they can't handle difficult subjects?

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Because they can't handle difficult subjects?

Like affordable healthcare and fixing the deficit?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Because they can't handle difficult subjects?

And there is liberalism! I could not pick a better example of the elitism and arrogance.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

But he did not say evil, .

Yes he did.

"for we shall not repeat the evil"

http://gephardtdaily.com/national-in...clear-bombing/


We dropped the bomb to end the war. The war that Japan started and refused to stop. And the atrocities they committed, stupefy the human mind. And the bomb was also a Godsend for Japan, because the alternative was all-out invasion. That would have been far worse for Japan.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Rock, remember that Jim doesn't do well with broad or abstract concepts. Like the notion that the decision to drop the bomb wasn't evil but that nuclear weapons are.

I fully concede that nukes are bad, and that the bombing of Japan was terrible.

I'll ask you pal...was the bombing of Japan 'evil' in your mind? Why? What was our intent, do you think? Was the bombing of Japan, any kind or moral equivalent, with what Japan had done?

Obama didn't just say that nukes are evil. He said that what happened at Hiroshima was evil. He is saying that what we did, was evil.

It's bullsh*t. It's not abstract. We stopped the rape of China. Is that an abstraction? Why is it that I understand that, and you (and Obama) can't? Seems to me, that you two are the dummies who can't see what's going on.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

“Death fell from the sky and the world was changed,” Obama said, “The flash of light and a wall of fire destroyed a city and demonstrated that mankind possessed the means to destroy itself.”

Where did he decry it as evil?? I didn't see the whole speech but read two different articles about it...

Evil, no. At the time, probably the best action to end the war.

Sorry..."we shall not repeat the evil"

"death fell from the sky and the world was changed,”

True. The world enjoyed peace for the first time in a decade. Thanks to that bomb, people all over occupied Asia were free of their chains. To Obama, those are trivial details.

http://gephardtdaily.com/national-in...clear-bombing/

"At the time, probably the best action to end the war"

Not probably. And what made it the best alternative was nothing coming from our side...it was the fanaticism of the Japanese...