Obama's VA Secretary says wait lines at VA Hosp are like wait lines at Disney

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by buckman

Except people aren't dying in the TSA lines . You didn't learn at all did you ?
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In one case, a veteran who applied for VA care in 1998 was placed in "pending" status for 14 years. Another veteran who passed away in 1988 was found to have an unprocessed record lingering in 2014, the investigation found.


So theses people died 14 years later from lack of care ?? from the VA and never had any other medical choices like medicare or other choices

Seem's your making the claim the VA killed them for lack of medical
care.. I dont see that as the cause I see it as some applied and didn't follow up not all but most what was the ages of theses 307,000 deceased veterans .... ww2 korea era Vietnam current ? what did they die from did the get any treatment any place?

The VA's inspector general found that out of about 800,000 records stalled in the agency's system for managing health care enrollment, there were more than 307,000 records that belonged to veterans who had died months or years in the past.

their are issues no doubt and have been for decades but its not as you suggest

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Seem's your making the claim the VA killed them for lack of medical
care.. I dont see that

Well, CNN (which is not exactly a right-wing organization) does see it that way.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/23/health...ays/index.html

These problems existed before Obama took office. Many Americans think we should do whatever it takes to fix this, and the fact that we can't, shows how impotent our system currently is. Both sides share some blame.

I started this post becaise I found it appalling that McDonald compared (and he absolutely did compare) the effect of waiting in line for an hour at DisneyWorld, to the effect of waiting weeks for care at a Veterans hospital. It's shocking to me that any average idiot would say that. For the Secretary Of Veterans Affairs to say that? When he knows he's on camera?

Thank Christ it's almost over.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I started this post becaise I found it appalling that McDonald compared (and he absolutely did compare) the effect of waiting in line for an hour at DisneyWorld, to the effect of waiting weeks for care at a Veterans hospital.

No, he still didn't. Jim, if Buck and I agree on an issue that's a good sign to give up.

[Slipknot]

http://theantimedia.org/va-veteran-s...ied-treatment/

I guess you would be lucky to be seen in Providence or Boston, but this poor guy in New York was not treated well at all. This should never happen.
Sad story, extremely sad

RIP soldier, thank you for your service

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

http://theantimedia.org/va-veteran-s...ied-treatment/

I guess you would be lucky to be seen in Providence or Boston, but this poor guy in New York was not treated well at all. This should never happen.
Sad story, extremely sad

RIP soldier, thank you for your service

the highest suicide rate (19.3) was among people 85 years or older. The second highest rate (19.2) occurred in those between 45 and 64 years of age. He had a gun and a plan .. to blame the VA is a cop out

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by wdmso

the highest suicide rate (19.3) was among people 85 years or older. The second highest rate (19.2) occurred in those between 45 and 64 years of age. He had a gun and a plan .. to blame the VA is a cop out

yes if you blame the VA, it is a cop out I agree
there is plenty of blame to go around if you look for blame.

I'm saying it should not happen
there is a cause and effect there

we need to take better care for our vets

prisoners have better health and dental than even the guards at some prisons, there is real disconnect.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

yes if you blame the VA, it is a cop out I agree
there is plenty of blame to go around if you look for blame.

I'm saying it should not happen
there is a cause and effect there

we need to take better care for our vets

prisoners have better health and dental than even the guards at some prisons, there is real disconnect.

Veterans are being better treated than at any time in our history .. in all areas health care, and other services and how the public views their service are all great , But with any group there are always a small but vocal group use the veteran title as an excuse or get out of jail free card for bad behavior or as a political football

the public really has no Idea how the VA works.. Just because you do 4yrs does not give you a lifetime of free medical care it gets you Basic Eligibility or Enhanced Eligibility

My father was a LT in the Navy retired 25 years he could use the base medical until he was 65 then got bounced to the VA or Medi Care (nam era Vet)

I retired 23 years as an E-7 if I had not been injured in Iraq (IED) I would have only had limited VA Services i think 180 days from discharge but with the injury I have Enhanced Eligibility.. so i use the VA for those issues and Have no complaints and my normal healthcare for everything else

its not a perfect system nor is it the nightmare some would have you think it is ... I guess like anything else some VA experiences are not the same for everyone