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[spence]

Syrian refugees aren't attacking Europe...

[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by spence

Syrian refugees aren't attacking Europe...

I didn't say they were. But are you saying they are not a potential threat to this country?
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

I didn't say they were. But are you saying they are not a potential threat to this country?
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The biggest threat to this country is fear and ignorance.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

The biggest threat to this country is fear and ignorance.
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....and Hillary
Fear, Ignorance and Hillary......those are the threats...


......oh.....and Trump
Fear, Ignorance, Hillary, and Trump.....those are the threats..


Oh Crap, forgot about Cruz..
Fear, Ignorance, Hillary, Trump and Cruz....those are the threats


Whoops.....Bernie too....
Fear, Ignorance, Hillary, Trump, Cruz and Bernie......those are the threats
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

The biggest threat to this country is fear and ignorance.
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But you have no problem when Bernie uses "fear" (beware the GOP, they just want to enable the rich to steal you future away from you), or when he uses "ignorance" (vote for me, and you'll have free college, healthcare, and a unicorn in your driveway).

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

But you have no problem when Bernie uses "fear" (beware the GOP, they just want to enable the rich to steal you future away from you), or when he uses "ignorance" (vote for me, and you'll have free college, healthcare, and a unicorn in your driveway).

Is he wrong ?
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[DZ]

Until things change all refugees coming to this country should sign a legal document/statement giving up their right to privacy.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Is he wrong ?
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Ummm, yes, he is completely and totally and demonstrably wrong.

Wealth is not finite, it's not like a pizza. So if a rich guy gets richer, that does absolutely nohting to reduce anybody else's ability to get rich. I agree that a huge income gap is "unfair". But it's insane to suggest the wealthy people are "causing" the income gap. There are some criminals out there of course, but fo rth emost part, one person's wealth doesn't cause anyone else's poverty. If wealthy [people all burned 90% of their money, that eliminates the wealth gap. But does it help anybody? No one is better off, had those wealthy people, not done what they did to get wealthier.

As to 'free college'...let me ask this first...if Bernie is the first person to figure out how to pull this off, why didn't he propose it during the 85 years he was in Congress?

He's more than wrong. He is crazy to believe what he believes.

[spence]

Originally Posted by ecduzitgood

I didn't say they were. But are you saying they are not a potential threat to this country?
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From what I've read of the refugee process it's not likely that terrorists would choose it as a method to get into the US. It can be long, there are qualifications and you don't get to choose which country you're sent to.

That being said, anything can be a threat. We take close to 100k refugees a year from around the world and many are Muslims.

Some would make you believe it's an open door for ISIS which is really isn't.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Nebe

The biggest threat to this country is fear and ignorance.
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The biggest threat to this country is people unwilling to look at evidence in an apolitical matter and make decisions based on feelings. THAT allows all sorts of bad things to happen.

National Security is not a default state. Civilization is not a default state. Freedom is not a default state. All of it needed to be earned, all of it needs to be maintained.

Originally Posted by spence

From what I've read of the refugee process it's not likely that terrorists would choose it as a method to get into the US. It can be long, there are qualifications and you don't get to choose which country you're sent to.

That being said, anything can be a threat. We take close to 100k refugees a year from around the world and many are Muslims.

Some would make you believe it's an open door for ISIS which is really isn't.

They have it where borders are more tightly integrated than our borders.


http://www.wsj.com/articles/paris-st...ece-1447698583

https://homeland.house.gov/wp-conten...gee_Report.pdf

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu...0U523520151222

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

The biggest threat to this country is people unwilling to look at evidence in an apolitical matter and make decisions based on feelings. THAT allows all sorts of bad things to happen.

National Security is not a default state. Civilization is not a default state. Freedom is not a default state. All of it needed to be earned, all of it needs to be maintained.



They have it where borders are more tightly integrated than our borders.


http://www.wsj.com/articles/paris-st...ece-1447698583

https://homeland.house.gov/wp-conten...gee_Report.pdf

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu...0U523520151222

The process to enter Greece as a refugee is totally different than the US. You can't even compare with a straight face.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

The process to enter Greece as a refugee is totally different than the US. You can't even compare with a straight face.

My point is that countries which in many ways have stricter border controls than we do have had some come in to Europe. We are not going to be able to cherry pick which ones we take in.

I am not against taking in refugees but I think the hoops need to be pretty tight

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

The process to enter Greece as a refugee is totally different than the US. You can't even compare with a straight face.

Not from Syria , but haven't we had two attacks already in this country from terrorist that have been through that process ? So to say it can't happen would be a lie because it has happened .
I believe both in France and in Brussels, Syrian refugees were at least reported to be involved .
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

Not from Syria , but haven't we had two attacks already in this country from terrorist that have been through that process ? So to say it can't happen would be a lie because it has happened .
I believe both in France and in Brussels, Syrian refugees were at least reported to be involved .
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I'm not aware of any attacks in this country by people who have been through the same process as what Syrian refugees would go through.

Pretty sure all the known Paris attackers were of EU citizenship, same goes for Brussles.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by JohnR

The biggest threat to this country is people unwilling to look at evidence in an apolitical matter and make decisions based on feelings. THAT allows all sorts of bad things to happen.

National Security is not a default state. Civilization is not a default state. Freedom is not a default state. All of it needed to be earned, all of it needs to be maintained.



They have it where borders are more tightly integrated than our borders.


http://www.wsj.com/articles/paris-st...ece-1447698583

https://homeland.house.gov/wp-conten...gee_Report.pdf

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu...0U523520151222

Fear and ignorance. Keep repeating that and it will make more and more sense.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

The biggest threat to this country is people unwilling to look at evidence in an apolitical matter and make decisions based on feelings. THAT allows all sorts of bad things to happen.

National Security is not a default state. Civilization is not a default state. Freedom is not a default state. All of it needed to be earned, all of it needs to be maintained.



They have it where borders are more tightly integrated than our borders.


http://www.wsj.com/articles/paris-st...ece-1447698583

https://homeland.house.gov/wp-conten...gee_Report.pdf

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu...0U523520151222

"The biggest threat to this country is people unwilling to look at evidence in an apolitical matter and make decisions based on feelings. THAT allows all sorts of bad things to happen."

Correct. Failing to recognize the reality of what's happening, is a far bigger threat than "fear".

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

From what I've read of the refugee process it's not likely that terrorists would choose it as a method to get into the US. It can be long, there are qualifications and you don't get to choose which country you're sent to.

That being said, anything can be a threat. We take close to 100k refugees a year from around the world and many are Muslims.

Some would make you believe it's an open door for ISIS which is really isn't.

Do they have no say in what country they get sent to? That's good to know.

"Some would make you believe it's an open door for ISIS "

I don't think anyone who matters, believes it's a wide-open door. But it doesn't have to be a wide open door. They only need a crack. In 2001, was it 12 or so terrorists that killed 3,000 of us, and brought the country to its knees?

We need to concede the reality that it's not a wide open door. We also need to concede that it only takes a small number of these guys, to do unfathomable damage.

I asked you in another thread this question...if a gave your kids a bowl with 100 gummy bears, and I told you that 1 was poisoned and would kill whoever eats it. How many would you, Spence, let your kids eat before you take the bowl away?

I will concede that people aren't the moral equivalent of gummy bears. But the analogy has some validity to it. Estimates are that 1% - 2% of Muslims are radicalized. That's a small percentage, but it's millions of Muslims.