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Old 03-09-2016, 01:17 PM   #1
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Do I have to spell it out? A lower % of minorities and students have licenses bc they have less need for a car bc of living in cities.

Do you agree that there is little fraud in our elections?
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Old 03-09-2016, 01:38 PM   #2
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Do I have to spell it out? A lower % of minorities and students have licenses bc they have less need for a car bc of living in cities.
They may have less need for these......but their access to Them is exactly the same as everybody else.....they can go to the exact same building, stand in the exact same line, and deal with the exact same cranky DMV employee as the rest of us......if they so CHOOSE.....

Students have student IDs.....correct....there is their form of ID.

Anybody over the age of 18 can get a state ID card.....not a license......not a passport......just a simple ID card. That is what my son has.


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Old 03-09-2016, 01:42 PM   #3
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but their access to Them is exactly the same as everybody else.....

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BINGO.

You might have added, "try making that wrong". Other than that, it was perfect.
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They may have less need for these......but their access to Them is exactly the same as everybody else.....they can go to the exact same building, stand in the exact same line, and deal with the exact same cranky DMV employee as the rest of us......if they so CHOOSE.....

Students have student IDs.....correct....there is their form of ID.

Anybody over the age of 18 can get a state ID card.....not a license......not a passport......just a simple ID card. That is what my son has.

One of the challengers to a voter ID law was a bunch of Nuns (all like 80 -90 years old) who didn't drive and didn't have birth certificates.

As I said earlier, the ID law doesn't bother me as much but why limit the hours people can vote?
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Where did I say access in reference to drivers licenses? I specifically said passports or other forms of govern. id. (I'm sure snarky Scott will call me racist again)

So now you have to get a drivers license or go to school to get an ID to vote? Did your son just walked in empty handed and was able to leave with a ID?

Even in a state where they give you free Ids, some people don't have the $ to get a copy of their birth certificate.

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Old 03-09-2016, 02:20 PM   #5
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Even in a state where they give you free Ids, some people don't have the $ to get a copy of their birth certificate.
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Where did I say access in reference to drivers licenses? I specifically said passports or other forms of govern. id. (I'm sure snarky Scott will call me racist again)


Even in a state where they give you free Ids, some people don't have the $ to get a copy of their birth certificate.
You asked me if voter fraud was rampant, and I gave you the honest answer.

Now it's my turn...are you suggesting that a large number of Americans, who will take the time to vote, can't do so because they don't have the $$ to get a copy of their birth certificate?

In all seriousness, how do these people establish their identity for the purposes of getting whatever welfare they must be on? Or to cash those assistance checks?
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You asked me if voter fraud was rampant, and I gave you the honest answer.

Now it's my turn...are you suggesting that a large number of Americans, who will take the time to vote, can't do so because they don't have the $$ to get a copy of their birth certificate?I think that has something to do with it plus in places like Texas they are so far from official offices.

In all seriousness, how do these people establish their identity for the purposes of getting whatever welfare they must be on? Or to cash those assistance checks?
I think it is bc they don't have $ like you and I have and live paycheck to paycheck. Why use a payday lendor if you have a bank acct.
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I think it is bc they don't have $ like you and I have and live paycheck to paycheck. Why use a payday lendor if you have a bank acct.
I don't know what a payday lendor is. A place to cash a check? Don't you need some kind of id to do that?
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I don't know what a payday lendor is. A place to cash a check? Don't you need some kind of id to do that?
Just as you don't know, I don't know what they requre. The point is people live off the grid or live differently from you and I. A lot of people don't have bank accts., make so little $ they might not file taxes, etc.
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Do I have to spell it out? A lower % of minorities and students have licenses bc they have less need for a car bc of living in cities.

Do you agree that there is little fraud in our elections?
Let me try again, because you are not answering the question that is being asked.

I concede that a higher % of blacks don't have a driver's livcense, than the corresponding % of whites.

Here is my question...if you don't have a driver's license, you can get another photo id. Why is it harder for blacks to get that id, than it is for whites?

Do blacks have, or do they not have, the same exact access to an alternate form of government id, as whites?

"Do you agree that there is little fraud in our elections"

Here, I will show you how to give a direct answer to a direct question, which you haven't been able to do for me yet. YES, I agree that voter fraud isn't a huge issue. See? I answered the question which you are asking.

I also contend that while it isn't a huge issue, it is a minor issue, and if it can be minimized by asking people to get a photo ide, I fail to see how that violates anyone's rights. What that does, is preserve the integrity of the voting process.

I do not have a strong opinion on requiring phot ids. What I do feel strongly about, is that the idea has no racial implications whatsoever. Every single black person who doesn't have a driver's license but wants to vote, can get his ass to town hall or wherever and get the alternate photo id.

Now, please tell us, why it's harder for blacks to get an alternate form pf photo id (besides a drivers license) compared to whites? I concede yoru point that MORE blacks need such a photo id. But your side says that it's HARDER for blacks to get that id. That's what I dispute.
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