Muslim Man VS Gun Range

[Raven]

i consider facebook a threat

[wdmso]

Most deaths from murders are people of the same race or ethnic back ground

Black kill blacks Whites kill whites Hispanics kill Hispanics

and Musulims kill Muslims ( not a race )

occasionally these groups kill people outside their circle and the % is so tiny...

But the Fear that it is going to Happen YOU is Just unrealistic

But its reinforced By propaganda not facts . and the un informed run with it

“Since 9/11, foreign-inspired terrorism has claimed about two dozen lives in the United States. (Meanwhile, more than 100,000 have been killed in gun homicides and more than 400,000 in motor-vehicle accidents.) “

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Most deaths from murders are people of the same race or ethnic back ground

Black kill blacks Whites kill whites Hispanics kill Hispanics

and Musulims kill Muslims ( not a race )

occasionally these groups kill people outside their circle and the % is so tiny...

But the Fear that it is going to Happen YOU is Just unrealistic

But its reinforced By propaganda not facts . and the un informed run with it

“Since 9/11, foreign-inspired terrorism has claimed about two dozen lives in the United States. (Meanwhile, more than 100,000 have been killed in gun homicides and more than 400,000 in motor-vehicle accidents.) “

"“Since 9/11"

Convenient to start tracking this, the day after 09/11...I bet that if you excluded all the days when there were terrorist attacks, the number of people killed by terrorists would be pretty darn low.

"But the Fear that it is going to Happen YOU is Just unrealistic "

True, for now. And in 1943, the chances of an American civilian being killed by the Nazis or the Japanese was also pretty low. But we were at war then (as we are now), and we had to deal with it.

Also, I'm not worried about a low-level crook in my town getting a nuclear weapon. We need to prevent jihadists from getting one, because if they did, they would use it 10 seconds later.

Street crime happens. But street criminals haven't dcelared war on the law-abiding.

I don't think anyone who wants to be aggressive against jihadists, has ever hinted that we don't also need to be vigilant about everyday, garden-variety street crime. The problem is, liberals are as wrong on how to deal with domestic crime (assume it goes away with gun restrictions, blame white people, and throw money at the problem, and tell the criminals that it isn't their fault), as they are on how to deal with terrorists (pretend the problem doesn't exist).

[wdmso]

Thanks for making my point unrealistic Fear ... no different then there coming to take our gun you guy's just re package the same BS and yet theses horrendous things you predict never materlize. . Yet you guys do what you do best disregarded the facts 100,000 gun deaths mutiple mass shootings yearly and barely a word ?. but let a Muslim do the shooting and people are instantly More horrified .. and any rational thinking goes out the window why is it America always needs an enemy real or imagined

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Thanks for making my point unrealistic Fear ... no different then there coming to take our gun you guy's just re package the same BS and yet theses horrendous things you predict never materlize. . Yet you guys do what you do best disregarded the facts 100,000 gun deaths mutiple mass shootings yearly and barely a word ?. but let a Muslim do the shooting and people are instantly More horrified .. and any rational thinking goes out the window why is it America always needs an enemy real or imagined

Be cool. No need to waste your time and energy spreading the truth. Just relax and enjoy your life. America doesn't have any enemies. Except, as you point out, the enemy is us.

And that can be "interpreted" literally or nonoriginally. Or any way your discretion desires.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Thanks for making my point unrealistic Fear ... no different then there coming to take our gun you guy's just re package the same BS and yet theses horrendous things you predict never materlize. . Yet you guys do what you do best disregarded the facts 100,000 gun deaths mutiple mass shootings yearly and barely a word ?. but let a Muslim do the shooting and people are instantly More horrified .. and any rational thinking goes out the window why is it America always needs an enemy real or imagined

Isnt it the Democrats that never let a good crisis go to waste ? Just look at what happens in the media if a policeman shoots a black man .
When in reality your chances of getting shot by a policeman a much less than being shot by a terrorist . Especially if you're a law abiding citizen
I take it you're in the "global warming is the most important threat " camp .
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by buckman

Isnt it the Democrats that never let a good crisis go to waste ? Just look at what happens in the media if a policeman shoots a black man .
When in reality your chances of getting shot by a policeman a much less than being shot by a terrorist . Especially if you're a law abiding citizen
I take it you're in the "global warming is the most important threat " camp .
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All politicians use this.. Let's look at the biggest crisis- 9-11. Afghanistan and then let's sneak in a war with Iraq.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Nebe

All politicians use this.. Let's look at the biggest crisis- 9-11. Afghanistan and then let's sneak in a war with Iraq.
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Yup, got attacked from someone, let's invade the wrong country We don't need none of that Science stuff w/their big words and fancy charts.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by buckman

Isnt it the Democrats that never let a good crisis go to waste ? Just look at what happens in the media if a policeman shoots a black man .
When in reality your chances of getting shot by a policeman a much less than being shot by a terrorist . Especially if you're a law abiding citizen
I take it you're in the "global warming is the most important threat " camp .
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again More of the same almost true statements


seem you buy into "More whites than blacks are victims of deadly police shootings,


Over the span of more than a decade, 2,151 whites died by being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks. In that respect

However, Brian Forst, a professor in the Department of Justice, Law and Criminology at American University, said this difference is predictable.

"More whites are killed by the police than blacks primarily because whites outnumber blacks in the general population by more than five to one," Forst said. The country is about 63 percent white and 12 percent black.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...whites-blacks/

[buckman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

again More of the same almost true statements


seem you buy into "More whites than blacks are victims of deadly police shootings,


Over the span of more than a decade, 2,151 whites died by being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks. In that respect

However, Brian Forst, a professor in the Department of Justice, Law and Criminology at American University, said this difference is predictable.

"More whites are killed by the police than blacks primarily because whites outnumber blacks in the general population by more than five to one," Forst said. The country is about 63 percent white and 12 percent black.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...whites-blacks/

You missed " the law abiding citizen" part
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Thanks for making my point unrealistic Fear ... no different then there coming to take our gun you guy's just re package the same BS and yet theses horrendous things you predict never materlize. . Yet you guys do what you do best disregarded the facts 100,000 gun deaths mutiple mass shootings yearly and barely a word ?. but let a Muslim do the shooting and people are instantly More horrified .. and any rational thinking goes out the window why is it America always needs an enemy real or imagined

"Yet you guys do what you do best disregarded the facts 100,000 gun deaths mutiple mass shootings yearly and barely a word ?"

Barely a word? Says who? You think my side is hesitant to discuss this, or unwilling to offer solutions? Not true. It's just that liberals aren't interested in hearing our proposed solutions, because we talk about things like "responsibility", and the liberal platform makes it clear that they aren't big on the notion of individual responsibility and facing the consequences of one's actions (if you don't believe me, look up where both sides stand on abortion).

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"“Since 9/11"

Convenient to start tracking this, the day after 09/11...I bet that if you excluded all the days when there were terrorist attacks, the number of people killed by terrorists would be pretty darn low.

"But the Fear that it is going to Happen YOU is Just unrealistic "

True, for now. And in 1943, the chances of an American civilian being killed by the Nazis or the Japanese was also pretty low. But we were at war then (as we are now), and we had to deal with it.

Also, I'm not worried about a low-level crook in my town getting a nuclear weapon. We need to prevent jihadists from getting one, because if they did, they would use it 10 seconds later.

Street crime happens. But street criminals haven't dcelared war on the law-abiding.

I don't think anyone who wants to be aggressive against jihadists, has ever hinted that we don't also need to be vigilant about everyday, garden-variety street crime. The problem is, liberals are as wrong on how to deal with domestic crime (assume it goes away with gun restrictions, blame white people, and throw money at the problem, and tell the criminals that it isn't their fault), as they are on how to deal with terrorists (pretend the problem doesn't exist).

Jim these are not new problems terrorism ,Crime they have been around a very long time not just the last 8 year's...

But time and time again these things get packaged as if they showed up Since Obama? the right loves to blame progressives or liberals as if the Republicans have never held the Whitehouse or had any members in congress ...

Then every election cycle they regurgitate How weak we are How our military needs more how tough on crime they are ( currently we have the most combat experienced and ready Military in the world)

And the Democrats regurgitate there own BS as well how things in America are not fair .. Bla Bla Bla

The problem With America there Is no Middle no middle class ! no middle ground !
We have be come a country heading towards the class system ! you stay where you are born rich, middle class or poor ... The American Dream sadly is becoming more of a dream than an actual Concept for success ...

The American Dream is a national ethos of the United States, the set of ideals (Democracy, Rights, Liberty, Opportunity, and Equality) in which freedom includes the opportunity for prosperity and success, and an upward social mobility for the family and children, achieved through hard work in a society with few barriers. In the definition of the American Dream by James Truslow Adams in 1931, "life should be better and richer and fuller for everyone, with opportunity for each according to ability or achievement" regardless of social class or circumstances of birth.[1]

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim these are not new problems terrorism ,Crime they have been around a very long time not just the last 8 year's...

But time and time again these things get packaged as if they showed up Since Obama? the right loves to blame progressives or liberals as if the Republicans have never held the Whitehouse or had any members in congress ...

Then every election cycle they regurgitate How weak we are How our military needs more how tough on crime they are ( currently we have the most combat experienced and ready Military in the world)

And the Democrats regurgitate there own BS as well how things in America are not fair .. Bla Bla Bla

The problem With America there Is no Middle no middle class ! no middle ground !
We have be come a country heading towards the class system ! you stay where you are born rich, middle class or poor ... The American Dream sadly is becoming more of a dream than an actual Concept for success ...

The American Dream is a national ethos of the United States, the set of ideals (Democracy, Rights, Liberty, Opportunity, and Equality) in which freedom includes the opportunity for prosperity and success, and an upward social mobility for the family and children, achieved through hard work in a society with few barriers. In the definition of the American Dream by James Truslow Adams in 1931, "life should be better and richer and fuller for everyone, with opportunity for each according to ability or achievement" regardless of social class or circumstances of birth.[1]

"time and time again these things get packaged as if they showed up Since Obama?"

I have never heard anyone say that either terrorism or street crime, originated under Obama. I will say that the policies Obama endorses, make both of those things worse. He inherited a stable Iraq, pulled out against the advice of many, which allowed ISIS to form, and now that region is far worse off than when he took office. As far as crime goes...we have newly elected liberal mayors in NYC and Chicago...and murders are through the roof. WDMSO, I follow the evidence, and I base my conclusions on evidence, and form my opinions on evidence. Most of our inner cities have been controlled by Democrats for 50 years. It's not working. Look at NYC. In the 1980's, it was a war zone. Rudy Guiliani gets elected, imposes conservative anti-crime principles, and we saw a huge drop in murders - a HUGE drop. Then they elect a liberal twit, who does away with everything Rudy did, and immediately, murders are way up. How else can those facts be interpreted, other than my conclusion that Rudy was right, and Deblasio was wrong? Please tell me, what other conclusion is there? Because I honestly don't get how anyone can deny the reality that's staring us in the face. It's not theory, we have actual, empirical evidence. If muderers went down under Deblasio, I would arrive at a different conclusion...but they didn't, they skyrocketed.

"the right loves to blame progressives or liberals "

I don't think conservatives are always right - not by a long shot. I am pro gay marriage, and I think we need more common sense inour gun laws - not more laws necessarily, but ones that make more sense.

Extremism exists on both sides, and is rarely productive.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

As far as crime goes...we have newly elected liberal mayors in NYC and Chicago...and murders are through the roof. WDMSO, I follow the evidence, and I base my conclusions on evidence, and form my opinions on evidence.

Here's some evidence Jim...

In 2014, De Blasio's first year as mayor there were 333 homicides in NYC, about the same number at the end of Bloomberg's stint.

In 2015 the number of homicides "went through the roof" with a recorded 339 homicides.

That's a YoY increase of .98%

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Here's some evidence Jim...

In 2014, De Blasio's first year as mayor there were 333 homicides in NYC, about the same number at the end of Bloomberg's stint.

In 2015 the number of homicides "went through the roof" with a recorded 339 homicides.

That's a YoY increase of .98%

Spence, I gotta tell you, I'd be a lot more inclined to respond to your posts, if you would shoe me the same courtesy, and explain why Hilary wasn't lying (as she claims she wasn't) when she said she came under sniper fire? if you won't respond, and we all see you won't, can you at least tell us why you won't respond? The woman just said on TV that she doen't believe she has ever told a lie.

In any event...in this article, which isn't exactly flattering to Rudy G, admits that when he was mayor, violent crime dropped by 56% in NYC...not bad.

http://www.businessinsider.com/criti...-theory-2013-8

And in this article, they say murder rates for 2015 (which wasn't final when the article was written) were upo 8% over 2014...

http://www.capitalnewyork.com/articl...s-his-analysis

Spence, can you name an urban city, long-controlled by Democrats, that's better off now than it was 50 years ago? Here in CT, I can point to New Haven, Hartford, and Bridgeport. All controlled exclusively by Democrats for 50 years, and all going right down the toilet. Maybe there's no correlation between th eparty in charge and the decline in thos eplaces. But maybe we can try something different, just to see.

Anyway, we all await your honest and thoughtful insight on Hilary's position that she has never told a lie...

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Black kill blacks Whites kill whites Hispanics kill Hispanics

and Musulims kill Muslims ( not a race )
“

Hispanics aren't a race either.....
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