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Old 12-05-2015, 11:19 AM   #1
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Well, the female CA shooter went through that process, or a similar process, right? Does our idiot-in-chief want to claim that there's still no reason to be concerned about Muslim refugees from Syria?
Process is quite different from what I've read. The K-1 visa is actually supposed to be pretty hard to get through. Even have to provide police records from every place you've lived since age 16. You also have no idea if she was radicalized before she came, you're just making assumptions at this point.

I'd be a lot more concerned over US passport holders and European passport holders that can just walk in if they're not being watched.
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Old 12-05-2015, 12:41 PM   #2
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Process is quite different from what I've read. The K-1 visa is actually supposed to be pretty hard to get through. Even have to provide police records from every place you've lived since age 16. You also have no idea if she was radicalized before she came, you're just making assumptions at this point.

I'd be a lot more concerned over US passport holders and European passport holders that can just walk in if they're not being watched.
You think you're proving YOUR point? You are correct, the vetting process cannot stop someone from coming over and getting radicalized the next day. That's not an endorsement of the vetting, it's further proof that the vetting doesn't keep us safe. So why bother? Your point is further evidence that this religion may not be compatible with the civilized world.

We have freedom of religion. No one believes that the founding fathers meant that to provide a safe haven for Aztecs to come in and sacrifice children to the gods. It's not a suicide pact.

What would it take to admit your side is wrong on this? How many bullet-riddled, charred bodies? Or just one, if it's someone you happen to care about?
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Old 12-05-2015, 01:41 PM   #3
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[QUOTE=spence;1087924]Process is quite different from what I've read. The K-1 visa is actually supposed to be pretty hard to get through. Even have to provide police records from every place you've lived since age 16. You also have no idea if she was radicalized before she came, you're just making assumptions at this point.

Spence apparently it is not hard to get.....she listed a home on the k-1 of a residence that never existed......... the K-1 visa is only good for 6 months, never kept track of her but yet she got a green card....this is not an assumption....FACT

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I'd be a lot more concerned over US passport holders and European passport holders that can just walk in if they're not being watched.
Have to agree with you there, Spence, so I would awesome you'd be in favor
of Rubio's idea to put a temporary hold on visas from mid east countries
and send back those who have overstayed their visa's and vet those who are
left in the US legally. ?????


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Have to agree with you there, Spence, so I would awesome you'd be in favor
of Rubio's idea to put a temporary hold on visas from mid east countries
and send back those who have overstayed their visa's and vet those who are
left in the US legally. ?????
I believe the visa process is already being firmed up to some degree. There probably is a legal avenue to further vet people here under new regulations, but does the government have the resources?

Regardless it should be rational and not part of a national freak out. God help us if Trump got elected and made good on 10% of his inflammatory rhetoric...you'll see the issue explode.
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I believe the visa process is already being firmed up to some degree. There probably is a legal avenue to further vet people here under new regulations, but does the government have the resources?

Regardless it should be rational and not part of a national freak out. God help us if Trump got elected and made good on 10% of his inflammatory rhetoric...you'll see the issue explode.
"you'll see the issue explode"

Funny, I thought the issue exploded on 09/11.

Spence, it is now reported that the female shooter had attended not one, but two Islamic schools in Pakistan, that are being investigated by the Pakistanis because the schools radicalize their students. The schools are so alarming, that the Pakistanis are investigating them. That's the same Pakistan that harbored Bin Laden and still imprisons the doctor who helped us find him. This is not an ally of ours, they aren't likely to share this info with us.

Therefore, the vetting process cannot begin to keep us safe. There is no computer database we can access that will tell us if these people have been radicalized., is there?

I sincerely hope I'm wrong, because I would like to be able to welcome peaceful Muslims who are willing to assimmilate. But I don't see how you can begin to differentiate them from the radicals.

This woman was NOT radicalized here. She was radicalized before she got here, and we didn't come close to catching that, even though she wasn't exactly getting radicalized under the radar.

Unless this vetting process can be significantly improved, and I don't see how it can when these people often come from places that don't have paperwork or computer records, it's a waste of time to try. If there are holes in the vetting process, it stands to reason that the jihadists will intentionally exploit them.

Not good enough.

The one thing you have said that makes any sense, is that Trump cannot get elected.

But we are going to have the conversation, before you and I are gone, about whether or not this religion is compatible with the western way of life. I no longer think it is. And I do not say that lightly, never thought I could ever say that out loud.
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The K-1 visa is actually supposed to be pretty hard to get through. Even have to provide police records from every place you've lived since age 16. You also have no idea if she was radicalized before she came, you're just making assumptions at this point.
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