Is this true??

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I'm not saying anything - Carson said in his autobiography it was Memorial Day. He shouldn't get pissed at the press for questioning things that don't line up if he can't get his facts straight.

you called it a lie...isn't it more likely he had the months wrong given the time lapse, the fact that Westmoreland was in Detroit at a dinner which seems to be what he described...and does it matter on which date it took place?

do you recall with specificity what you were doing in February or May of 1969

I realize that General Werstmoreland is no Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, Rashid Khalidi or Frank Marshall Davis and Neurosurgery isn't quite Community Organizing and ROTC isn't quite puffing with the choom-choom gang...but can we get a grip??

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

you called it a lie...isn't it more likely he had the months wrong given the time lapse, the fact that Westmoreland was in Detroit at a dinner which seems to be what he described...and does it matter on which date it took place?

do you recall with specificity what you were doing in February or May of 1969

I realize that General Werstmoreland is no Bill Ayers, Rashid Khalidi or Frank Marshall Davis and Neurosurgery isn't quite Community Organizing and ROTC isn't quite puffing with the choom-choom gang...but can we get a grip??

And can't you get a grip - his autobiography is wrong. I sure as heck would check my facts before putting something in my autobiography. He put down the wrong date (and stated it was afrer a Memorial day parade) and when questioned, accussed the press of lying. If he wasn't sure he should have just said it was in early 1999.

So if he had the wrong date, it is yellow journalism or good journalism when you check the facts?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

He put down the wrong date and when questioned, accussed the press of lying. ?

Paul, are you feeling OK, or not? The press DID LIE. Politico stated in a huge headline, that the Carson camp admitted fabricating the whole scholarship to them. What Carson challenged Politico on that, they immediately changed the headline, removed their assertion that anyone in the team admitted anything to them.

Politico lied about Carson's team admitting anything to them.

What don't you get about that?

Also, if checking these things is so inmportant, how come nobody lifted a finger to look into Obama's records? When Obama says "I am not releasing my records", the press said "fine". Those same folks who couldn't care less about Obama's grades, attacked John McCain for his grades, which he happily released.

You tell me if that's fair.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Politico lied about Carson's team admitting anything to them.

What don't you get about that?

apples and oranges

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

apples and oranges

It's turning into an Abbott and Costello routine.

No proof whatsoever that no one from West Point didn't encoyurage him to apply, stating he'd get in if he applied. Is it crazy to interpret that as an offer of a scholarship?

CNN claims they "proved" he was lying about his violent tendencies, because they asked a couple of people who knew him 50 years ago who didn't remember him being violent. Somehow, to CNN, that's sufficient proof that he was lying, because it didn't cross CNN's mind that perhaps some people know that detail, and others don't. After all, everyone in your life has the same exact detail of you rthoughts, as everyone else, right? There's nothing you tell you rbest friend that you don't tell everyone. That's journalism, boy!

They sure as hell don't want to ask him about his experiences with working tirelessy to save babies in the womb, so instead they go through hi sgarbage to dig up dirt on him. Meanwhile, Obama can choose not to release his academic records, and they all kiss his ring and move on.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

They sure as hell don't want to ask him about his experiences with working tirelessy to save babies in the womb, so instead they go through hi sgarbage to dig up dirt on him. Meanwhile, Obama can choose not to release his academic records, and they all kiss his ring and move on.

No, Carson has no policy experience and by all measures doesn't seem to have a lot of policy insight. His life story as it's been presented is the entire package. Now that he's being taken seriously by voters he's going to get the joys of living in the spotlight.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

No, Carson has no policy experience and by all measures doesn't seem to have a lot of policy insight. His life story as it's been presented is the entire package. Now that he's being taken seriously by voters he's going to get the joys of living in the spotlight.

"Carson has no policy experience "

He didn't formulate policies when he was director of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins? Or in his role as a member of the Board of Directors at Costco?

I'm sorry, when Oama was running in 2008, after a whopping 2 years in the US Senate, what was his policy experience, exactly>

"by all measures doesn't seem to have a lot of policy insight"

A lot of Republicans would disagree. The man knows how to solve complex problems, he has proven that, hasn't he?

Eisenhower had no political experience either, and he is regarded as a spectacular president.

"he's going to get the joys of living in the spotlight"

And that's fine, he's in the big leagues. But it should bve applied consistently to all candidates, correct? Because it's not. Obama would not release his academic records, and no one asked for an explanation, no one dug them up like they did with Bush. So why does a reporter not wonder why Obama refuses to release his records, but attack McCain for his transcript? How is that fair?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

.

If he wasn't sure he should have just said it was in early 1999.

which would also be a lie?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

which would also be a lie?

Are you serious?

He should use the correct year. Was it 69?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Are you serious?

He should use the correct year. Was it 69?

you're the expert

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

you're the expert

wow. You're amazing.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

wow. You're amazing.

Paul, does it seem likely to you that Politico lied about getting an admission of guilt from Carson's campaign? As soon as Casron asked them to prove their claim, they withdrew their statement. Politico is no longer saying that the Carson campaign admitted to lying.

What do you think happened there? Something other than yellow journalism?

Or what CNN did? Just because the few people CNN interviewed from his chilhood couldn't recall a violent temper, does that give CNN the right to claim that Carson lied about it? Isn't it responsible journalism to conclude that not every single person he ever met, will have identical recollections of him, 50 years later?

I can say "I loved fishing when I was in high school". If you pick 1 kid from my class, and ask him, he might say "I remember Jim, I don't recall him saying anything about fishing". Does that mean I lied? Or does it mean what we all know is true, that not everyone will recall identical details, decades later? Do you see how crazy that is? That's what CNN did to the man. That's not yellow journalism?