Gun Owners.. Ball is in your court

[OLD GOAT]

Lets talk about this ars backwards.
When a sicko is dead there is no need to glorify him with picture and name of fame. Why promote? Thanks news media
thanks Mr President for glorification and getting attention away from the Mideast.
I'm a gun owner and believe in background checks

[tysdad115]

Originally Posted by OLD GOAT

Lets talk about this ars backwards.
When a sicko is dead there is no need to glorify him with picture and name of fame. Why promote? Thanks news media
thanks Mr President for glorification and getting attention away from the Mideast.
I'm a gun owner and believe in background checks

Failed middle East policy, Hillary commits treason ..on and on..but lets focus on firearms. Move along, nothing to see here.
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by tysdad115

Failed middle East policy, Hillary commits treason ..on and on..but lets focus on firearms. Move along, nothing to see here.
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Benghazziiiiiiiii !
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[spence]

Originally Posted by tysdad115

Failed middle East policy, Hillary commits treason ..on and on..but lets focus on firearms. Move along, nothing to see here.
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Yea, with 30,000+ gun deaths per year it certainly isn't deserving of a policy discussion. Perhaps the real reason to kill the debate is when you look at the statistics it doesn't look very good for the NRA.

[Cool Beans]

Originally Posted by spence

Yea, with 30,000+ gun deaths per year it certainly isn't deserving of a policy discussion. Perhaps the real reason to kill the debate is when you look at the statistics it doesn't look very good for the NRA.

I assume you are counting those killed by guns engaged in conflict on the battlefields around the globe?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

I assume you are counting those killed by guns engaged in conflict on the battlefields around the globe?

Nope, just the good old USA.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by spence

Nope, just the good old USA.

murika!!!!!!
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[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by spence

Yea, with 30,000+ gun deaths per year it certainly isn't deserving of a policy discussion. Perhaps the real reason to kill the debate is when you look at the statistics it doesn't look very good for the NRA.

In 2013, the number you refer to included more than 21000 suicides by firearm. Do you really feel that 2/3 of your number should be included without footnote?

[spence]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

In 2013, the number you refer to included more than 21000 suicides by firearm. Do you really feel that 2/3 of your number should be included without footnote?

What does it matter? You have the exact same issues around firearm regulations, waiting periods, mental health etc... that you do with many other firearm related deaths.

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by spence

What does it matter? You have the exact same issues around firearm regulations, waiting periods, mental health etc... that you do with many other firearm related deaths.

Are you serious? Two thirds are accounted to people who choose to end their own life. If not a gun it would have been a knife, pills, whatever. And the issues, while some might overlap in regards to mental health, are not akin to the mass shootings recognized by the OP. Nor did the POTUS mention suicides in his discussion.To lump suicides in with violent crimes is stacking the deck unfairly without disclosing to what they include. That is skewed.

[nightfighter]

Andy, from Wikipedia...... (my disclaimer for source of defending hard numbers as opposed to throwing them out, as some here are prone to do)


Gun violence in the United States results in thousands of deaths and thousands more injuries annually.[1] According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in 2013, firearms (excluding BB and pellet guns) were used in 84,258 nonfatal injuries (26.65 per 100,000 U.S. citizens) [2] and 11,208 deaths by homicide (3.5 per 100,000),[3] 21,175 by suicide with a firearm,[4] 505 deaths due to accidental discharge of a firearm,[4] and 281 deaths due to firearms-use with "undetermined intent"[5] for a total of 33,169 deaths related to firearms (excluding firearm deaths due to legal intervention). 1.3% of all deaths in the country were related to firearms.[1][6]

[spence]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Are you serious? Two thirds are accounted to people who choose to end their own life. If not a gun it would have been a knife, pills, whatever. And the issues, while some might overlap in regards to mental health, are not akin to the mass shootings recognized by the OP. Nor did the POTUS mention suicides in his discussion.To lump suicides in with violent crimes is stacking the deck unfairly without disclosing to what they include. That is skewed.

Nice, so "some" suicides might overlap with mental health issues. Wow.

A lot of people trying to commit suicide don't succeed, but I'd wager most with guns do.

I never attributed the 30k number to person on person crime. It's simply the volume of people killed by guns...the context for the remark was tyd claiming insignificance...

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by spence

Yea, with 30,000+ gun deaths per year it certainly isn't deserving of a policy discussion. Perhaps the real reason to kill the debate is when you look at the statistics it doesn't look very good for the NRA.

30,000 and 95+ % of those are gang bangers