Planned Parenthood

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I see. So according to you, it's legal to turn the baby upside down while it's still alive, but illegal to do it after it has been killed. Can you please cite the portion of the law which states that? I would be more than shocked if that were the case, but I am persuadable. Please post that portion of the text.
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No, I didn't say anything like that.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

No, I didn't say anything like that.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/04...ice-structure/

Spence, there is no smoking gun here, but it's enough to look into it, it's enough for me to say I don't want my tax dollars going there, and it's enough (thank God) that many on your side of the abortion issue, are disturbed by this.

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/04...ice-structure/

Spence, there is no smoking gun here, but it's enough to look into it, it's enough for me to say I don't want my tax dollars going there, and it's enough (thank God) that many on your side of the abortion issue, are disturbed by this.

There isn't any tax money funding abortions, that's Federal law.

What that FOX article misses though is that it's not black or white if processes are changed in regards to fetal tissue. The intent of the law is to ensure the well being of the patient is placed first. If there are multiple methods to perform the abortion and one may be better than the other to collect viable tissue this likely wouldn't be considered a process change under the law unless it created additional pain or stress for the patient.

What the unedited tape also shows is that the PP rep making the statement says that she can't even approve a process change like that and would have to speak with the surgeon to see if it was allowed.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

There isn't any tax money funding abortions, that's Federal law.

What that FOX article misses though is that it's not black or white if processes are changed in regards to fetal tissue. The intent of the law is to ensure the well being of the patient is placed first. If there are multiple methods to perform the abortion and one may be better than the other to collect viable tissue this likely wouldn't be considered a process change under the law unless it created additional pain or stress for the patient.

What the unedited tape also shows is that the PP rep making the statement says that she can't even approve a process change like that and would have to speak with the surgeon to see if it was allowed.

"it's not black or white if processes are changed in regards to fetal tissue"

So let's investigate, and find out if laws were broken. In the meantime, if you want to donate your money to pay for an organization that kills babies for money, that's your right, but I'd prefer to be left out of that scenario.

The other thing that both the edited and unedited tape show, are folks discussing these things with a callousness that would be shocking, except it's obviously a pre-requisite to work at such a place. That callousness is making a lot of people take notice, and Hilary's support may not play well in the general.

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So let's investigate, and find out if laws were broken. In the meantime, if you want to donate your money to pay for an organization that kills babies for money, that's your right, but I'd prefer to be left out of that scenario.

It's a non-profit organization Jim. They don't kill babies for money.

The other thing that both the edited and unedited tape show, are folks discussing these things with a callousness that would be shocking, except it's obviously a pre-requisite to work at such a place. That callousness is making a lot of people take notice, and Hilary's support may not play well in the general.

The reality is you'll see a similar attitude with most fields that deal in gruesome subjects. I doubt it's really any different than hacking cadavers up for medical purposes...and yes that would include implanting a dead person's body parts into another for medical treatments...I'd wager you'd have a pretty cold perspective as well.

Sure, it's hard to listen to but that doesn't mean it's illegal. Remember, this entire discussion was spawned by a anti-abortion group.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

It's a non-profit organization Jim. They don't kill babies for money.


The reality is you'll see a similar attitude with most fields that deal in gruesome subjects. I doubt it's really any different than hacking cadavers up for medical purposes...and yes that would include implanting a dead person's body parts into another for medical treatments...I'd wager you'd have a pretty cold perspective as well.

Sure, it's hard to listen to but that doesn't mean it's illegal. Remember, this entire discussion was spawned by a anti-abortion group.

how low can U go......

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Originally Posted by scottw

how low can U go......

MC'ing a limbo contest?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

It's a non-profit organization Jim. They don't kill babies for money.


The reality is you'll see a similar attitude with most fields that deal in gruesome subjects. I doubt it's really any different than hacking cadavers up for medical purposes...and yes that would include implanting a dead person's body parts into another for medical treatments...I'd wager you'd have a pretty cold perspective as well.

Sure, it's hard to listen to but that doesn't mean it's illegal. Remember, this entire discussion was spawned by a anti-abortion group.

This may be news to you Spence, but even non-profits can occasionally be involved in wrongdoing.

"Sure, it's hard to listen to but that doesn't mean it's illegal"

Let's find out if it was illegal. And just because it's legal, doesn't mean taxpayers need to fund it.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

. Remember, this entire discussion was spawned by a anti-abortion group.

Meaning what, exactly? I sit inconceivablke that an anti-abortion group could uncover wrong-doing? It's not possible?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

It's a non-profit organization Jim. They don't kill babies for money.
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Let's examine that, shall we?

Dr. Mary Gatter, Council President of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America’s Medical Directors, in Video #2, she says
“Let me just figure out what others are getting, and if this is in the ballpark, then it’s fine,” Gatter said. “If it’s still low, then we can bump it up....I want a Lamborghini.”

Now, if all PP wants to do is cover expenses, then why is any deal contingent on making sure that the rate is competitive to what others are getting? If all PP cares about is covering their own expenses, then it shouldn't give a rat's azz about making sure no one else has a better deal.

As to her statement about the car, who knows what she meant. But if her goal is indeed to kill enough babies to get a lamborghini, then this c*nt can do it without reaching into my wallet, OK?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-anymore.html#

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Let's examine that, shall we?

Dr. Mary Gatter, Council President of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America’s Medical Directors, in Video #2, she says
“Let me just figure out what others are getting, and if this is in the ballpark, then it’s fine,” Gatter said. “If it’s still low, then we can bump it up....I want a Lamborghini.”

Now, if all PP wants to do is cover expenses, then why is any deal contingent on making sure that the rate is competitive to what others are getting? If all PP cares about is covering their own expenses, then it shouldn't give a rat's azz about making sure no one else has a better deal.

As to her statement about the car, who knows what she meant. But if her goal is indeed to kill enough babies to get a lamborghini, then this c*nt can do it without reaching into my wallet, OK?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-anymore.html#

Selective editing.

In the full video she says multiple times they don't look to make a profit, she laughs off the Lamborghini remark as mocking the idea they're out for profit...and the best is the "undercover" actors were pushing her to accept more money which she was resisting.

In other words, it's nearly 180 degrees from your perception.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

It's a non-profit organization Jim. They don't kill babies for money.

that's right...kill the babies out of compassion and sell the parts for money....


The reality is you'll see a similar attitude with most fields that deal in gruesome subjects. I know right, like those videos of the things that happen on farms with livestock that ....wait....that horrifies pretty much everyone and has cause changes in the attitudes of society, even laws, after seeing the undercover films...

I doubt it's really any different than hacking cadavers up for medical purposes......don't you need one's permission? and yes that would include implanting a dead person's body parts into another for medical treatments...again permission...I'd wager you'd have a pretty cold perspective as well. I'm pretty sure that if a hospital or morgue was running an operation selling body parts and if that hospital's hierarchy was exposed in similar fashion with the sentiments expressed by these creeps....there would be a massive uproar...look at the morgues that have been exposed for not properly handling customers


Sure, it's hard to listen to but that doesn't mean it's illegal. I suspect most normal people never dreamed that this was going on and being directed by these sickos....might be illegal pretty soonRemember, this entire discussion was spawned by a anti-abortion group.

pretty solid job of reporting...and courageous

great article http://www.nationalreview.com/node/422305/print

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

It's a non-profit organization Jim.

So is the NFL.......squeaky clean there.
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

So is the NFL.......squeaky clean there.
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Actually I thought they dropped their status this spring...mostly so they could hide Goodell's salary. Too bad he's going to be on unemployment soon.