Planned Parenthood

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

So far I haven't seen any evidence any laws were broken, just some cold discussion of a subject that's difficult for most people to hear. The Govt budgets 76 million a year for fetal tissue research, Planned Parenthood isn't the only organization involved...

It's also worth remembering that the vast majority of Planned Parenthood's services (97%) are NOT abortion and the vast majority of those abortions are early and wouldn't likely even result in tissue available for research.

Also, Obama was pretty clear that his lack of support for the IL state BAIPA had nothing to do with limiting rights outside of the womb, it was that he didn't want the bill to be used as a political/legal tool to restrict women's rights inside the womb.

For all your ranting about cleaver wielding ghouls, the reality is more like cancer screening for poor women and new treatments for disease.

You don't see any evidence, because you don't (or can't, beats me) see that which doesn't support The Narrative. You don't concede ICE has any legal standing to detain illegal aliens.

And if Obama's concern about the bill was that someone could widen the scope to include abortion restrictions, why the hell didn't he write a law that made killing living babies illegal, yet kept abortion legal? He's supposed to be a somewhat talented legislator, correct? Obviously, he wasn't all that bothered by what was happening, because he did exactly zilch to stop it and at the risk of sounding like The Dad Fisherman, try making that wrong, please.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You don't see any evidence, because you don't (or can't, beats me) see that which doesn't support The Narrative. You don't concede ICE has any legal standing to detain illegal aliens.

So what's the evidence that PP is profiting from a systemic scheme to trade in fetal tissue?

ICE has the authority to detain illegal aliens, nobody ever said they don't. That's not the issue, the problem is that ICE detainers unless accompanied by a warrant are simply a request. Just because it comes from a Federal agency doesn't mean it trumps local procedures...it's a fuzzy part of the law that should be corrected with more comprehensive reform.

And if Obama's concern about the bill was that someone could widen the scope to include abortion restrictions, why the hell didn't he write a law that made killing living babies illegal, yet kept abortion legal? He's supposed to be a somewhat talented legislator, correct? Obviously, he wasn't all that bothered by what was happening, because he did exactly zilch to stop it and at the risk of sounding like The Dad Fisherman, try making that wrong, please.

Is this even a big problem to begin with or just politically motivated legislation?

The irony of all this outrage is that if conservatives are successful in de-funding Planned Parenthood the number of abortions in the country is going to skyrocket...

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

So what's the evidence that PP is profiting from a systemic scheme to trade in fetal tissue?

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Makes no difference whether they are making a profit or not, it's just plain inhuman and wrong.

[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Makes no difference whether they are making a profit or not, it's just plain inhuman and wrong.

Well, it makes a big difference under the law. If there's scientific gain and enough control to prevent abuse then I wouldn't say it's inhuman and wrong, but it certainly falls into an ethical gray area that should be taken very seriously.

But if you're pro-life the argument is moot anyway.