Sanctuary cities

[Nebe]

Define it Spence. I'm curious
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Define it Spence. I'm curious
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There is no single definition I'm aware of. The term "sanctuary city" seems to be created by anti-illegal immigration folks.

There are a few issues I've read about. First, many cities have policies where they don't inquire about immigration status unless there's good reason because they don't want undocumented people to feel threatened to report crime. Studies appear to show this has been effective. New York City under Rudy Giuliani had such a policy when he was mayor.

Another problem is that there seems to be a disconnect between Federal and local laws. So lets say the police detain someone and under local law they can hold them for 24 hours. ICE gets involved and asks for the person to be detained for 48. If the city complies they get sued which costs them money the Feds don't reimburse so now the City has to sue the Federal Government.

The Inspector General has studied this and found the State's aren't breaking laws but some may report it as a Sanctuary City helping someone avoid deportation which is misleading.

While this murder was certainly tragic and seems as though a bad guy slipped through the cracks, it shouldn't invalidate the policy if there's a net benefit to help fight crime.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

There is no single definition I'm aware of. The term "sanctuary city" seems to be created by anti-illegal immigration folks.

There are a few issues I've read about. First, many cities have policies where they don't inquire about immigration status unless there's good reason because they don't want undocumented people to feel threatened to report crime. Studies appear to show this has been effective. New York City under Rudy Giuliani had such a policy when he was mayor.

Another problem is that there seems to be a disconnect between Federal and local laws. So lets say the police detain someone and under local law they can hold them for 24 hours. ICE gets involved and asks for the person to be detained for 48. If the city complies they get sued which costs them money the Feds don't reimburse so now the City has to sue the Federal Government.

The Inspector General has studied this and found the State's aren't breaking laws but some may report it as a Sanctuary City helping someone avoid deportation which is misleading.

While this murder was certainly tragic and seems as though a bad guy slipped through the cracks, it shouldn't invalidate the policy if there's a net benefit to help fight crime.

that was hilarious....did you really write that??

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

that was hilarious....did you really write that??

Are you having trouble comprehending it?

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by scottw

that was hilarious....did you really write that??

I think he types these up some time so they can swept into the cloud and get recycled in other places. I like Spence, great choice in Beer and many things, but he is a Strategic Messager in RL

OK - ten minutes of Google-FU

http://sfgsa.org/index.aspx?page=1067

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I think he types these up some time so they can swept into the cloud and get recycled in other places. I like Spence, great choice in Beer and many things, but he is a Strategic Messager in RL

OK - ten minutes of Google-FU

Did you watch any of these videos? They pretty much just reinforce my two points...

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by spence

Did you watch any of these videos? They pretty much just reinforce my two points...

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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

Did you watch any of these videos? They pretty much just reinforce my two points...

Yes - "The term "sanctuary city" seems to be created by anti-illegal immigration folks."

That is why it is listed in the documents from the government of the City of San Francisco, the most right wing bitter clinging city in the Union. Clearly created by those opposed to anti-undocumented-aspiring-not-yet-(usually)-future-democratic-voters

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

That is why it is listed in the documents from the government of the City of San Francisco, the most right wing bitter clinging city in the Union. Clearly created by those opposed to anti-undocumented-aspiring-not-yet-(usually)-future-democratic-voters

I said created not used. Many seem to want to give the impression that in these cities you're immune from deportation which simply isn't true. Some cities are more forgiving than others but they all work with the Feds.

Simple question, why do so many cities employ some sort of sanctuary policy unless it's effective at fighting crime?

[scottw]

[QUOTE=JohnR;1077611]I think he types these up some time so they can swept into the cloud and get recycled in other places. I like Spence, great choice in Beer and many things, but he is a Strategic Messager in RL

he is funny in his own odd way.....

[FishermanTim]

I believe the term "sanctuary city" was created by the liberal politicians as a means of getting word to their voter base as a means of ensuring votes of blind loyalty from the residents and their "new" friends and relatives.

Springfield Ma was one, called such 10+ years ago.