Indiana Religious Freedom Law

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Nebe

And the recipient of around half a million dollars of donations from supportive Christians.
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You mean bc they they said that they would discriminate?

That is hilarious.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by PaulS

You mean bc they they said that they would discriminate?

That is hilarious.

Agreed
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

You mean bc they they said that they would discriminate?

That is hilarious.

S you would support a law that would force a black baker to serve cake at a Klan wedding?

If not, please explain why in this case, the black baker has the right to discriminate, but not the Christian baker.

Read the Bill Of Rights. It doesn't say that freedom of religion is limited to cases where no one's feelings are hurt.

The left never, ever address the only thing that matters, which is what the Bill Of Rights says. It's always about labeling the other ide as hatemongers.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

S you would support a law that would force a black baker to serve cake at a Klan wedding?

If not, please explain why in this case, the black baker has the right to discriminate, but not the Christian baker

Sucks for the black baker but yes.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Sucks for the black baker but yes.
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Paul , you've mentioned Ben Carson a couple of times referring to his statements comparing the US to Germany during the Nazi movement....it's not clear that you ever read what he actually said or his later comments but here's a bit of it....seems relevant


" You know, you had a government using its tools to intimidate the population. We now live in a society where people are afraid to say what they actually believe."

He went on to list the "PC police" politicians and news that, together, "stifle people's conversation."

"The reason that is so horrible is because the only way that you have harmony and reach consensus is by talking. But if, in fact, people are afraid to talk, you never reach consensus," Carson said. "And instead you grow further and further apart. And that's exactly what's happening, creating a horrible schism that will destroy our nation if we don't fix it."

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Sucks for the black baker but yes.
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OK, I respect the fact that you are consistent.

But what about the Bill Of Rights? Why doesn't the Bill Of Rights, absolutely, irrefutably, prevent the government from forcing these people into violating their beliefs?

When we have had military drafts, for example, people with religious objections, were not forced to go to war. People who didn't want to go to war for other reasons (let's say they didn't want to go because they didn't believe in the cause), were forced to go.

If these pizzeria owners tell you that the Bill Of Rights guarantees them the right to make this decision, what's your response?

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

That doesn't seem very ambiguous to me. Like it or not, the Constitution gives them this right.

Do you deny the Bill Of Rights gives them this right? Based on what? How can you read that text, and draw any other conclusion?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

But what about the Bill Of Rights? Why doesn't the Bill Of Rights, absolutely, irrefutably, prevent the government from forcing these people into violating their beliefs.

If these pizzeria owners tell you that the Bill Of Rights guarantees them the right to make this decision, what's your

I fail to see how making pizza or a cake violates someone's religious beliefs. I don't think the bible says anything about making a pizza is essential to the practice of religion.

We have allowed Conscientious objectors to not go to war but you can be one w/o saying it violates your religion. I guess the thought is that if you don't want to fight, we are better off not having you on the front lines regardless of why you don't want to fight.n

I don't know if genital mutilation is illegal here but along with social reasons, people use religion as a reason for forcing it on their girls. Are you in favor of allowing people to do that here?

The baker can now sue the state and claim it violates their constitutional right.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I fail to see how making pizza or a cake violates someone's religious beliefs. don't think anyone claimed it does I don't think the bible says anything about making a pizza is essential to the practice of religion. that's probably accurate

We have allowed Conscientious objectors to not go to war but you can be one w/o saying it violates your religion. I guess the thought is that if you don't want to fight, we are better off not having you on the front lines regardless of why you don't want to fight. right, so apply this to other activities, think of the bible thumpers as conscientious objectors

I don't know if genital mutilation is illegal here but along with social reasons, people use religion as a reason for forcing it on their girls. Are you in favor of allowing people to do that here? this is relevant how?

The baker can now sue the state and claim it violates their constitutional right. oh good, more law suits
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we could solve all of this by nationalizing pastry and pizza

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I fail to see how making pizza or a cake violates someone's religious beliefs. I don't think the bible says anything about making a pizza is essential to the practice of religion.

We have allowed Conscientious objectors to not go to war but you can be one w/o saying it violates your religion. I guess the thought is that if you don't want to fight, we are better off not having you on the front lines regardless of why you don't want to fight.n

I don't know if genital mutilation is illegal here but along with social reasons, people use religion as a reason for forcing it on their girls. Are you in favor of allowing people to do that here?

The baker can now sue the state and claim it violates their constitutional right.
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"I fail to see how making pizza or a cake violates someone's religious beliefs"

hen you haven't given this much thought. These people believe gay marriage is a sin. They believe that their religion dictates that they not participate in, or endorse, sinful activity. Now you know. So now that you know, why isn't their belief protected?

"I guess the thought is that if you don't want to fight, we are better off not having you on the front lines "

Using that logic, and there is logic to it, why the hell does the engaged couple want a baker at their wedding, who does not want to be there?

"Are you in favor of allowing people to do that here?"

The girl ha the right to not get mutilated. The gay couple does not have the right to force anyone to surrender their right to exercise their religion freely.

"The baker can now sue the state and claim it violates their constitutional right."

Not in this case, because the state didn't do anything to the pizzeria owner. It is your fellow world travelers, those who preach tolerance, who forced these people into hiding. How very tolerant...

Paul, you don't agree with their religious objections, neither do I. That doesn't matter. All that matters, is that our constitution guarantees them that right.

I cannot force the Klan to not hold rallies. Similarly, I can't force these people to abandon their religious beliefs. It's not rocket science.

[justplugit]

Amazing, American Christians and Christians around the world are having
their heads cut off because of their believes while the Libs are concerned
about whether a couple can get a pizza pie for their wedding.
Just goes ta show ya.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

You mean bc they they said that they would discriminate?

That is hilarious.

No because their business was all but shut down , they have had death threats all because of a fabricated story . They never denied any gay couples anything .

What happened to " live and let live"??
Now you , because you're the epitomy of tolerance , have now decided they are bigots ... You do that a lot
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by buckman

No because their business was all but shut down , they have had death threats all because of a fabricated story . They never denied any gay couples anything .

What happened to " live and let live"??
Now you , because you're the epitomy of tolerance , have now decided they are bigots ... You do that a lot
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"Live and let live". You mean if they're gay?😬


I think I have a heck of a lot more tolerance than you. They certainly are bigots whether they want to claim it is their religious right or not.
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