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I think it's most likely he's just a *bit* arrogant. Also, the claims he's reported as making aren't even really true.
More importantly...the ACA has increased the number of insured, it's improving the health of those now insured, it's dramatically slowing the rise in costs and more insurers are competing in the marketplaces.
Bill isn't perfect but so far it's working as intended.
I think it's most likely he's just a *bit* arrogant. Also, the claims he's reported as making aren't even really true.
More importantly...the ACA has increased the number of insured, it's improving the health of those now insured, it's dramatically slowing the rise in costs and more insurers are competing in the marketplaces.
Bill isn't perfect but so far it's working as intended.
You're full of crap Spence.
What in this administration is it lies. He's on an apology tour as we speak trying to take those words back.
My insurance has switched because of Obamacare and it is now costing me thousands more. Companies are looking for less expensive policies which in turn cost workers a lot more money.
My health cost for my family are now in the order of $24,000 a year.
The healthcare sucks too
You can spin it that healthcare costs were going to spin out of control anyways . Have at it Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
I think it's most likely he's just a *bit* arrogant. Also, the claims he's reported as making aren't even really true.
More importantly...the ACA has increased the number of insured, it's improving the health of those now insured, it's dramatically slowing the rise in costs and more insurers are competing in the marketplaces.
Bill isn't perfect but so far it's working as intended.
Bull $hit, my families health costs are through the roof... Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
"I know a taxidermy man back home. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him!"
Please Spence enough BULLCRAP....his statements were very true....he said it and ment it..."U R STUPID"...I did not say that about U so do not take it personally...
A friend of mine son got an increase of almost 400 bucks cost of increase to his OBAMACARE......also co pays have increased....if the federal judges decide aganist subsidies Obamacare should be sunk.If supreme court had any balls they would convene to throw the law out
Please Spence enough BULLCRAP....his statements were very true....he said it and ment it..."U R STUPID"...I did not say that about U so do not take it personally...
All bills are written in a convoluted and tortured way. Fox tried to jump on this and claim his remarks prove the bill was intentionally deceiving...that's not the case.
WTF are you smoking? it certainly IS the case
and the rest of the media should have covered this and not been biased, shame on them. Fox news seems to be about the only news source with enough balls to cover this and tell the truth.
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1984 was a warning, not a guidebook!
It's time more people spoke up with the truth. Every time we let a leftist lie go uncorrected, the commies get stronger.
I think it's most likely he's just a *bit* arrogant. Also, the claims he's reported as making aren't even really true.
More importantly...the ACA has increased the number of insured, it's improving the health of those now insured, it's dramatically slowing the rise in costs and more insurers are competing in the marketplaces.
Bill isn't perfect but so far it's working as intended.
Spence, facts and sources please. Most likely's don't count.
The intelligentsia (intellectuals considered as a group or class, especially as a cultural, social, or political elite) finally get caught on tape speaking the "truth" on the current state of the electorate, and all we talk about is ACA?
I think it's most likely he's just a *bit* arrogant. Also, the claims he's reported as making aren't even really true.
More importantly...the ACA has increased the number of insured, it's improving the health of those now insured, it's dramatically slowing the rise in costs and more insurers are competing in the marketplaces.
Bill isn't perfect but so far it's working as intended.
"the ACA...it's dramatically slowing the rise in costs"
When your love was selling the bill, not once did I ever hear him say that as a result of the ACA, "costs would go up, but at a slower pace than before". What I did hear, was that costs would dcerease. Something about the average family saving $2500 a year? Ring a bell?
Once again, like the stimulus keeping unemployment under 8%, it seems Obama is promising one thing, delivering something else. Some call that the old bait and switch. I'd love to see you explain why that's not the case here.
Spence is correct when he says that cost of healthcare is increasing at a slower pace than usual. I think it was increasing by about 8% per year, now it's increasing by something like 4% a year. Most of that comes from Medicare paying doctors less than they did before. I don't think that helps anyone who is not on Medicare. And I also think it's naive to assume that if you pay doctors less, you are getting the same level of service. Something has to give, and at some point, doctors will stop seeing Medicare patients.
"the ACA...it's dramatically slowing the rise in costs"
When your love was selling the bill, not once did I ever hear him say that as a result of the ACA, "costs would go up, but at a slower pace than before". What I did hear, was that costs would dcerease. Something about the average family saving $2500 a year? Ring a bell?
Once again, like the stimulus keeping unemployment under 8%, it seems Obama is promising one thing, delivering something else. Some call that the old bait and switch. I'd love to see you explain why that's not the case here.
We've discussed at length how the 8% was based on CBO data that was way off...
As for the $2500. I believe the objective for that target was to reduce health care spending by 1% of GDP which when averaged led to the $2500 per family. It wasn't intended to be a forecast of individual savings...but it came off that way.
As for the $2500. I believe the objective for that target was to reduce health care spending by 1% of GDP which when averaged led to the $2500 per family. It wasn't intended to be a forecast of individual savings...but it came off that way.
Here is a video where someone said that it would reduce cost for a family of 4 by $2500 NINETEEN times, hardly a statement that was interpreted incorrectly..
What happened to the facts and sources saying Gruber's statements weren't really true ?
I said the claims about his statements weren't true...
His remarks were just highlighting his frustration with how legislation is formed. The CBO sets standards that must be met and so law has to be twisted to fit the standards so it sounds good. Everybody does it and there's nothing unique in the ACA in this regard.
What he said that simply isn't true are the remarks that elements of the bill weren't discussed in a transparent manner, hell there was probably more open and bi-partisan debate on the ACA than any bill in history.
It's being "reported" that his remarks show the people were duped. If that's true than pretty much all laws could be shown to be manipulative.
I said the claims about his statements weren't true...
His remarks were just highlighting his frustration with how legislation is formed. The CBO sets standards that must be met and so law has to be twisted to fit the standards so it sounds good. Everybody does it and there's nothing unique in the ACA in this regard.
What he said that simply isn't true are the remarks that elements of the bill weren't discussed in a transparent manner, hell there was probably more open and bi-partisan debate on the ACA than any bill in history.
It's being "reported" that his remarks show the people were duped. If that's true than pretty much all laws could be shown to be manipulative.
as is often the case, the only one making claims about his statements that aren't true seems to be you ...most seem content with his "actual" statement...you know....what he "actually" said....which was very clear and revealing and which I don't think you've referenced directly and perhaps not even read yet.......that you "believe" or have divined that he intended to suggest or mean something completely different than what he is actually on record and quoted as saying is not unusual or surprising
as is often the case, the only one making claims about his statements that aren't true seems to be you ...most seem content with his "actual" statement...you know....what he "actually" said....which was very clear and revealing and which I don't think you've referenced directly and perhaps not even read yet.......that you "believe" or have divined that he intended to suggest or mean something completely different than what he is actually on record and quoted as saying is not unusual or surprising
I've read all his statements.
Some in their attempt to manufacture scandal are missing the real point which could make the country better...such a shame.
Some in their attempt to manufacture scandal are missing the real point which could make the country better...such a shame.
the "shame" lies with "some" who condone, defend and support lying, corruption and the torture of language and the perversion of our political and legislative process in their delusion that doing so will somehow "make the country better" ......
I think it's most likely he's just a *bit* arrogant. Also, the claims he's reported as making aren't even really true.
More importantly...the ACA has increased the number of insured, it's improving the health of those now insured, it's dramatically slowing the rise in costs and more insurers are competing in the marketplaces.
Bill isn't perfect but so far it's working as intended.
If you're so convinced Obama Care is so great why don't you put your $ where your mouth is and drop what you have now and sign up.
I'll be everything I own you won't, just like every other fraud who says it's great.
If you're so convinced Obama Care is so great why don't you put your $ where your mouth is and drop what you have now and sign up.
I'll be everything I own you won't, just like every other fraud who says it's great.
Yes, I should give up my work benefits and pay on my own. That makes a whole lot of sense. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
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