Sec.Defense Hagel warns ISIS is-

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/world/...led/index.html

Second American jihadi kia.... Are there dozens, hundreds? Interesting how the State Department notified the family....who had no idea????

The news said 1 other was killed in the same fight.
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[justplugit]

There in lies the problem. Seems like nobody knows. The administration
has known about isisi for two years but had no strategy to deal with them
and according to Obama still has none.
How is it possible that someone has been asleep at the switch for 2 years ?
Same old kick the can down the road and HOPE nothing happens, but then
again the President did campaign on HOPE.

[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

How is it possible that someone has been asleep at the switch for 2 years ?

I think that's just the knee jerk in you talking

-spence

[Raven]

of course then again he might just be SCOTTISH

from the BLACK watch Clan

known to walk softly but carry a big stick

pffffffffffff.....T mmmng mng cough sputter

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

I think that's just the knee jerk in you talking

-spence

Spence, that's all you got.

[Raven]

what was really chilling today was hearing about the laptop of death

[spence]

Originally Posted by Raven

what was really chilling today was hearing about the laptop of death

Or it could be somewhat media hype. Certainly ISIS is serious but it's an issue to be dealt with, the world isn't ending.

Right now I'd be much more concerned with ebola spreading from west Africa than ISIS trying to weaponize biological contagions.

-spence

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by spence

Or it could be somewhat media hype. Certainly ISIS is serious but it's an issue to be dealt with, the world isn't ending.

Right now I'd be much more concerned with ebola spreading from west Africa than ISIS trying to weaponize biological contagions.

-spence

More Democratic smoke being blown up our collective ass.... "Look, look over here... this is a more serious problem we're focusing on in the public interest"

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Or it could be somewhat media hype. Certainly ISIS is serious but it's an issue to be dealt with, the world isn't ending.

Right now I'd be much more concerned with ebola spreading from west Africa than ISIS trying to weaponize biological contagions.

-spence

That's not what the secretary of defense said .
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[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Spence, that's all you got.

I think it's pretty silly to think the Administration has been ignoring the issue for 2 years. We've been trying to get the Iraqi government to take some responsibility in the matter. How are we supposed to take the blame for military acting French?

This stuff has been brewing for so long but you can't resist the opportunity to blame blame blame rather than think about what we can and should do. It's a very complex situation with no easy options.

The positive side to things being this dangerous is that the other Arab nations are finally waking up to the monsters they've helped create.

What about the summer suit? No outrage about the suit?

-spence

[nightfighter]

He missed his opportunity by not getting a coalition into Syria early, IMO. ISIS/ISIL became a force from within the rebel void of power. The US could have had an ally had they supported the early rebellion against Assad.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

This stuff has been brewing for so long but you can't resist the opportunity to blame blame blame rather than think about what we can and should do. It's a very complex situation with no easy options.



-spence

Can and should do, and no easy options?
Too late, there should have been strategies on the table
for contingencies as the troops were withdrawn.
The biggest blunder was not anticipating isis would come across the border. They should have been hit hard as they crossed, BEFORE they became entrenched.
But that would have taken an out front leader with forward planning rather than leading from behind and hoping it goes away.
Day late and a dollar short.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Bingo NF, and now let's get back to the links and fund raising.
Now that's a plan.
This guy is in way over his head, at our expense.

Was pissy when the Ospreys flew over my house last night. 5 Million dollars to generate 500K

The world IS falling apart and no small thanks to this fustercluck of an administration. No, it is not all Obama's fault, but part of it - the LEADERSHIP, is his responsibility. The lack of good Advisers and/or listening to good advice IS his responsbility.

Lets see the issues:

ME Peace
ISIL
UKRAINE
IRAN Nukes (not that we have heard much - is that effective policy? Or just not enough room above the fold?)
Iraq Collapsing
Race relations
Afghansitan Collapsing
Russia expansionism/ re-imperialism
China expansionism
Immigration (The only nation than can enforce borders but does not enforce?)
Ebola


Yes - things are being deftly managed. /sarc

Looks like he is becoming unhinged. I am really getting concerned that this guy is loosing it.

Originally Posted by spence

I think it's pretty silly to think the Administration has been ignoring the issue for 2 years. We've been trying to get the Iraqi government to take some responsibility in the matter. How are we supposed to take the blame for military acting French?

This stuff has been brewing for so long but you can't resist the opportunity to blame blame blame rather than think about what we can and should do. It's a very complex situation with no easy options.

The positive side to things being this dangerous is that the other Arab nations are finally waking up to the monsters they've helped create.

What about the summer suit? No outrage about the suit?

-spence

No, suit is a minor . I'm afraid the Administration has been screwing things up the last 2 years. Too much Hope & Ideology, not enough Realism

Originally Posted by nightfighter

He missed his opportunity by not getting a coalition into Syria early, IMO. ISIS/ISIL became a force from within the rebel void of power. The US could have had an ally had they supported the early rebellion against Assad.

No, the opportunity was missed when a Status Of Forces Agreement was not established/pursued with Iraq to leave a force of sufficient personnel in place to bolster the Iraqi Army to keep ISIL in Syria. The ability to lean on Maliki to NOT further peees on the dissatisfied.

Seatbelt light is on folks, expect much turbulence ahead. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I think it's pretty silly to think the Administration has been ignoring the issue for 2 years. We've been trying to get the Iraqi government to take some responsibility in the matter. How are we supposed to take the blame for military acting French?

This stuff has been brewing for so long but you can't resist the opportunity to blame blame blame rather than think about what we can and should do. It's a very complex situation with no easy options.

The positive side to things being this dangerous is that the other Arab nations are finally waking up to the monsters they've helped create.

What about the summer suit? No outrage about the suit?

-spence

Spence, the point is, Obama dismissed ISIS as a non-threat when he referred to them as "the JV". Obama also mocked Romney for stating that Russia was a threat to be taken seriously (the 1980's called, they want their foreign policy back. Haw haw haw!! tell that to the Ukranians...

It's almost comical how incompetent the guy is, how deep he is in over his head. Bill Clinton, for all his faults, realized when it was time to put his ideoilogy aside and listen to Newt Gingrich when Gingrich was clearly correct. Obama cannot, or will not, do that. Amazing.

[Jim in CT]

Also, I recall that Obama sent Eric Holder and some other brass from the Attorney General's office to Ferguson. Has Eric Holder been sent to Mexico to find out what the hell is going on with the Marine that's been jailed there for months? What about the Pakistani doctor, who risked his neck to help us catch Bin Laden, and we sit by while Pakistan throws this guy in jail for treason?

Spence, is this how we treat those who risk everything, literally risk everything, to help us?

I don't get it. I just don't get it. I guess you have to have a Harvard degree to understand why that's actually brilliant foreign policy.

I thought Obama's charm, as opposed to Bush's brutality, was supposed to make countries like us more? I'm sure that jailed marine and the Pakistani doctor, take great comfort in knowing that Obama is so skilled at ensuring that other countries become productive allies of ours.

Go ahead Spence, tell me where I'm wrong, and why these are actually brilliant moves by your man-crush.