Is Iraq going to fall?

[PaulS]

I'm still waiting for the Rs to have more hearings to determine whether we were told the biggest lie of the 21st. century or if it was the biggest intelligence failure of the 21st century.

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Originally Posted by PaulS

I'm still waiting for the Rs to have more hearings to determine whether we were told the biggest lie of the 21st. century or if it was the biggest intelligence failure of the 21st century.

The Rs are probably afraid that Spence will trash them by calling it all old news.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I'm still waiting for the Rs to have more hearings to determine whether we were told the biggest lie of the 21st. century or if it was the biggest intelligence failure of the 21st century.

Well, the Dems controlled Congress during the end of Bush's term, so it stands to reason that if anyone thought anyone lied, they would have been responsible.

If believing that Iraq had WMDs is indicative of lying or failure, I assume that you won't be voting for Hilary Clinton, because she said she was certain they had WMDs, and she voted in favor of the war.

There was an awful lot of evidence that led a lot of liberals to believe they had WMDs. Hindsight it always 20/20, isn't it?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Well, the Dems controlled Congress during the end of Bush's term, so it stands to reason that if anyone thought anyone lied, they would have been responsible.

If believing that Iraq had WMDs is indicative of lying or failure, I assume that you won't be voting for Hilary Clinton, because she said she was certain they had WMDs, and she voted in favor of the war.

There was an awful lot of evidence that led a lot of liberals to believe they had WMDs. Hindsight it always 20/20, isn't it?

I always laugh at the line that people who voted in favor of war (based on either a huge lie or a huge failure) should be held to that vote.

So what was it - a huge intelligence failure or a huge lie?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I always laugh at the line that people who voted in favor of war (based on either a huge lie or a huge failure) should be held to that vote.

So what was it - a huge intelligence failure or a huge lie?

Hilary (and many other Dems) saw the same evidence that Bush and his staff did, and came to the same conclusion. Now, if Bush manufactured evidence to pursuade the Senate Democrats, she should not be held accountable (and he would have been impeached and prosecuted). If what she saw was an honest presentation of available evidence, then she reached the same wrong conclusion that Bush did.

It was an intelligence failure. Hilary, in particular, had said that she (and he hubby) were certain that Iraq had WMDs.

Hilary took it further and told Gen Petreus (when he told the senate the benefits he though tthe surge could bring) that to believe what the general was saying, "requires the willful suspension of disbelief." In other words, she told Petreus he was lying about what h ethought the Surge could do.

Once again, Hilary was absolutely wrong, because the Surge worked beautifully. Unlike being wrong about WMDs, she was in a minority of people who denied the Surge could work. And she's qualified to be POTUS?

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Originally Posted by PaulS

I'm still waiting for the Rs to have more hearings to determine whether we were told the biggest lie of the 21st. century or if it was the biggest intelligence failure of the 21st century.

Why have those hearings when Joe Biden said to Larry King in 2010 that Iraq could be one of the Obama administration's greatest achievements:

"I am very optimistic about -- about Iraq. I mean, this could be one of the great achievements of this administration. You're going to see 90,000 American troops come marching home by the end of the summer. You're going to see a stable government in Iraq that is actually moving toward a representative government.

I spent -- I've been there 17 times now. I go about every two months -- three months. I know every one of the major players in all the segments of that society. It's impressed me. I've been impressed how they have been deciding to use the political process rather than guns to settle their differences."

I guess Obama decided to turn his back on his great achievement.